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[11:56] <jimbaker> agronholm, hope you had a good flight back - i'm flying home later today - and do tell me if the fix for http://bugs.jython.org/issue1540 worked for you
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[13:12] <agronholm> jimbaker: oh yes I saw you commit the fix -- thank you!
[13:14] <mbooth> So... Is there a plan for 2.7 final release after the pycon efforts?
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[13:17] <agronholm> mbooth: really really close now :)
[13:17] <mbooth> Yay! :-)
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[13:34] <jimbaker> yeah, we chose to fix a more 2.7.0 bugs rather than start working on 2.7.1, just because rc2 started getting even more people to test. but it looks close as agronholm pointed out
[13:34] <jimbaker> about to start travel home, back in a somewhat more than a bit
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[13:34] <agronholm> so does that mean the super fix gets into 2.7.0?
[13:34] <jimbaker> agronholm, yes
[13:35] <agronholm> awesome!
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[15:40] <eatkin> jimbaker: ping?
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[19:24] <agronholm> fwierzbicki: the vast majority of the standard library patches fail when applied against the 3.5 stdlib
[19:24] <agronholm> what should we do about them?
[19:24] <agronholm> commit only when the differences have been resolved? or incrementally?
[19:29] <fwierzbicki> What do you mean incrementally? Sounds like the same as "only when differences have been resolved"?
[19:29] <fwierzbicki> agronholm: ^^^
[19:30] <agronholm> yeah
[19:30] <agronholm> like "delete everything in Lib and only add fixed modules back"
[19:31] <fwierzbicki> Ah I see
[19:32] <fwierzbicki> Deleting everything and adding back sounds reasonable to me
[19:32] <agronholm> ok
[19:33] <fwierzbicki> I have another step in mind for the ones that differ only slightly from CPython: it would be great to start trying to get those pushed up to CPython's Lib
[19:33] <fwierzbicki> I suspect they'll want a patch for each file - I'm motivated to do that part of the process if you or others want to just concentrate on Jython's Lib
[19:34] <fwierzbicki> For the ones I work on in the future I will try to go that route directly - I doubt we'll ever completely get rid of our own Lib/ but I hope to get close someday
[19:34] <agronholm> sure
[19:55] <stewori> Now that you mention it, I dream of having a transparent distinguishment between CPython-specific unittests and unittests that should run independently from the Python-implementation
[19:56] <fwierzbicki> stewori: we have made great strides there, I think the majority (though not the vast majority) of tests we run are unaltered from CPython
[19:56] <stewori> having a set of unit-tests explicitly defining "Python" as opposed to "CPython".
[19:56] <fwierzbicki> though there are definitely "if is_jython"s in there
[19:56] <stewori> yeah, I would like to see this distinguishment on CPython-repo
[19:57] <stewori> one day
[19:57] <stewori> jython has these blah_jy.py-tests to test jython specifcs
[19:57] <fwierzbicki> step 1 from the Jython side is to get our tests merged with theirs
[19:57] <fwierzbicki> I think we will probably always have some that are Jython-only
[19:58] <fwierzbicki> Java integration for example probably has no place in a neutral space
[19:58] <stewori> sure. However entirely CPython-specific tests should be in specifically declared files too like blah_cpy.py
[19:59] <stewori> however it's just a dream... maybe one day. I'm somethimes playing with the idea to write a PEP about this
[19:59] <fwierzbicki> that would be cool - I think once we prove we are serious about merging to the neutral space, we can convince them to do that.
[19:59] <fwierzbicki> We've talked about it for years
[19:59] <stewori> I see
[20:00] <fwierzbicki> but since all real dev moved to 3.x a while ago, we where stuck until we got to 3.x
[20:00] <stewori> merging Jython's lib back to scpython is a nice initial step anyway, so big +1 from me on this topic
[20:01] <fwierzbicki> I'm very motivated to do this - every new version of Jython starts with the huge pain of merging the Libs together. Being part of CPython's Lib should make that much less painful
[20:03] <stewori> And would improve the lib to be a bit more of a "Python"-standard lib instead of a "CPython"-standard lib
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