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[14:24] <topi`> ffuu, hibernate is just pure evil
[14:24] <topi`> I mean, how am I going to debug a failure in a webcontroller if the traceback is a massive 200 lines long?
[14:25] <topi`> finally, there is the root cause somewhere
[14:25] <topi`> ConstraintViolationImpl{interpolatedMessage='may not be null', propertyPath=pan1Mac, ...
[14:26] <topi`> so, I have something in the definitions that says cannot be null, but evidently remains uninitialized when the maven tests are run
[14:26] <topi`> I know you guys are professional java developers, how do you deal with crap like this?
[14:28] <jimbaker> topi`, well there's no question this is where stuff like python is better :)
[14:29] <jimbaker> because it's much easier to follow dynamic stuff in python than the workaround we get w/ dependency injection
[14:30] <jimbaker> topi`, so i have a complete patch for relative star imports, just to need add some tests. it was similarly easy to do from . import *
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[14:47] <topi`> jimbaker: I suspected so, although it was slightly difficult to follow the code paths around the relative import section
[14:48] <topi`> I need to google up "dependency injection"
[14:48] <topi`> I only did a few courses on programming theory in the uni
[14:48] <topi`> at that time, object-oriented was the hot potato
[14:49] <topi`> threads and processes were only introduced at the Operating Systems course and its advanced variants
[14:50] <topi`> jimbaker: django has its flaws and warts just as well, but if I had the chance to choose between django and Hibernate/Spring ... guess what :)
[14:56] <jimbaker> topi`, agreed :)
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[17:01] <jimbaker> topi`, so i assume you will be happy once we get annotations working in clamp
[17:22] <agronholm> topi`: how do I deal with this? by converting to Python
[17:22] <agronholm> you're not the only one who has had to struggle with Hibernate's undecipherable stack traces
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