#jython IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-02-19

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:56] * thereisnospoon_ (~thereisno@113-61-86-28.static.qld.dsl.net.au) has joined #jython
[0:59] * thereisnospoon (~thereisno@113-61-86-28.static.qld.dsl.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[1:14] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
[1:15] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #jython
[2:14] * lheuer (~Adium@unaffiliated/lheuer) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[4:33] * diametric (~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[5:11] * robbyoconnor (~wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby) has joined #jython
[7:10] * oscar_toro (~Thunderbi@h-17-170.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #jython
[7:16] * lheuer (~Adium@f048227047.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #jython
[7:16] * lheuer (~Adium@f048227047.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Changing host)
[7:16] * lheuer (~Adium@unaffiliated/lheuer) has joined #jython
[7:34] * oscar_toro (~Thunderbi@h-17-170.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[8:23] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
[8:23] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #jython
[8:52] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
[8:53] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #jython
[8:59] * ohumbel (5390f2dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[9:04] * ohumbel (5390f2dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #jython
[9:38] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
[9:38] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #jython
[9:56] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
[9:56] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #jython
[9:57] * thereisnospoon_ (~thereisno@113-61-86-28.static.qld.dsl.net.au) Quit (Read error: No route to host)
[9:57] * thereisnospoon (~thereisno@113-61-86-28.static.qld.dsl.net.au) has joined #jython
[10:21] * zimmermann (~user@178-24-50-233-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[11:59] <bjorkintosh> so i don't know java at all, but i know python.
[11:59] <bjorkintosh> what's a good 'guide to the java goodies', if you will?
[13:05] * smaudet (~smaudet@cpe-98-28-34-149.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[13:13] * zimmermann (~user@178-24-50-233-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #jython
[13:34] * whg is now known as zz_whg
[13:54] * zz_whg is now known as whg
[14:43] * enebo (~enebo@c-75-73-8-169.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #jython
[15:21] <jimbaker> bjorkintosh, i would recommend the jython book some of us wrote, jythonbook.com
[15:22] <jimbaker> definitely brings in some of the java goodies; for example, http://www.jython.org/jythonbook/en/1.0/appendixB.html#working-with-spreadsheets
[15:24] * robbyoconnor (~wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[15:31] <whg> Also, you get to use JDBC stuff for your DB. When you're working with Oracle, for instance, their Python drivers have been borked on OS X since Snow Leopard or so. No worries about that if you're using JDBC.
[16:25] * robbyoconnor (~wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby) has joined #jython
[16:25] * robbyoconnor (~wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby) Quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
[16:29] * xymox (lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[16:33] * xymox (lechuck@unaffiliated/contempt) has joined #jython
[16:33] * diametric (~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d) has joined #jython
[17:05] * lheuer (~Adium@unaffiliated/lheuer) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[17:19] * zimmermann (~user@178-24-50-233-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[17:30] * lheuer (~Adium@f048227047.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #jython
[17:30] * lheuer (~Adium@f048227047.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Changing host)
[17:30] * lheuer (~Adium@unaffiliated/lheuer) has joined #jython
[18:15] <jimbaker> whg, that's interesting. i used to use cx_Oracle all the time, in fact it was part of the original software stack i used when i was started w/ python about 12 years ago
[18:16] <whg> Oracle has **severely** neglected it on OS X
[18:16] <whg> It was basically when 64-bit became the default
[18:17] <whg> I don't know if they ever got around to supporting 64-bit on any other platform, but last time I checked, it was still hopelessly borked on OS x
[18:22] <agronholm> I'm kinda wondering why Windows still comes as 32-bit and 64-bit flavors
[18:22] <agronholm> why not dump the 32-bit already
[18:23] <whg> So many popular programs are still 32-bit *cough*Chrome*cough*
[18:23] <agronholm> so what? it's not like a 64-bit OS requires 64-bit apps
[18:23] <whg> The js engine, at least
[18:23] <agronholm> most of the apps I run on my 64-bit windows are still 32-bit
[18:24] <whg> Isn't it more efficient to match the OS
[18:24] <agronholm> based on what?
[18:24] <whg> Something about memory word alignment, I think is what I heard as the excuse
[18:25] <agronholm> oh, that one
[18:25] <agronholm> linux actually got special support for that recently but it's not picking up speed because it turns out, nobody really cares
[18:25] <whg> I'm not highly sympathetic; things are going 64-bit, get on the train, or get out of the way
[18:25] <whg> Hah
[18:25] <whg> Color me utterly unsurprised
[18:26] <whg> It just has the feel of "Ewww! Significant whitespace", so finding out that it never really mattered sort of confirms my utterly ungrounded suspicions
[18:27] <agronholm> it's kinda odd how some people whine about the whitespace in python
[18:27] <agronholm> as if they didn't indent their code anyway
[18:29] <whg> It seems to come most often from people who just copy-paste their code all over the place
[18:29] <whg> In which case: STOP IT!
[18:29] <whg> bad coder!
[18:29] <agronholm> exactly
[18:30] <whg> CS101 should be *required* to be taught in a language with significant whitespace
[18:30] <whg> Some new teammembers at work apparently mixed tabs and spaces in a previous life
[18:30] * whg shudders
[18:58] * mike_af (~mike_af@50-77-49-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #jython
[19:17] * mike_af (~mike_af@50-77-49-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)
[20:38] * ArcTanSusan (~susantan@173-11-98-81-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #jython
[21:23] * ArcTanSusan (~susantan@173-11-98-81-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Quit: ArcTanSusan)
[21:49] * ArcTanSusan (~susantan@173-11-98-81-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #jython
[23:00] * ArcTanSusan_ (~susantan@173-11-98-81-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #jython
[23:00] * ArcTanSusan (~susantan@173-11-98-81-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:00] * ArcTanSusan_ is now known as ArcTanSusan
[23:01] * whg is now known as zz_whg
[23:09] * enebo (~enebo@c-75-73-8-169.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: enebo)
[23:43] * zimmermann (~user@178-24-50-233-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #jython
[23:58] * lheuer (~Adium@unaffiliated/lheuer) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)


These logs were automatically created by JythonLogBot on irc.freenode.net using a slightly modified version of the Java IRC LogBot.