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[19:15] <topi`> jimbaker: here's some amazing stuff you can do with Twisted: http://iffycan.com/twistedftw/articles.html#!/web/ssechat
[19:19] <jimbaker> topi`, i assume this is now working with your patches. btw, any chance you push those patches into https://github.com/tkanerva/twisted ?
[19:19] <jimbaker> i would exclude the ident fix since that will not be necessary, we don't want to worry about the beta
[19:23] <topi`> jimbaker: I included the ident fix for those folks who don't compile their own jython, but just download the beta1 from last year...
[19:27] <jimbaker> topi`, if you're interested in that sort of support, here's one possible no overhead option: http://www.jython.org/jythonbook/en/1.0/Concurrency.html#interruption
[19:28] <jimbaker> but i'm hesitant to ever put any support into a beta - people know why it's there. we should put out a new beta soon however
[19:28] <jimbaker> i think once requests + pip is working, that would be a good milestone for beta 2
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[19:46] <topi`> interesting, I didn't think of monkeypatching Thread
[19:56] <daenney> Oh no, not the monkey word
[20:03] <jimbaker> monkeypatching, it can be used for good or for evil
[20:03] <jimbaker> i think the case i cite that chapter above is reasonably nuanced
[20:04] <daenney> :)
[20:16] <topi`> gevent mostly works, and it monkeypatches the whole world
[20:16] <topi`> I wonder if Guido had a tongue in the cheek when he invented the monkey-word ;)
[20:17] <topi`> or maybe he wasn't the first one to name it "monkeypatch"
[20:19] <topi`> I need to implement a scheduled db check for my django/tomcat installation, that would fill some DB tables. It'd be possible to implement it in java, using the Quartz scheduler from within the servlet
[20:19] <topi`> but I'd like to write it in python, for obvious reasons :)
[20:20] <daenney> Yeah but gevent is creepy in a lot of ways
[20:20] <daenney> And only works for cpython due to the magix it does
[20:20] <topi`> daenney: I agree. That was one of the main reasons I went the Twisted way
[20:22] <topi`> the most difficult part (for me) is trying to decipher these tutorials on configuring Quartz. They talk of configuring as JNDI resource using mbean. Whatever that means
[20:22] <topi`> the java world is full of weird abbreviations and acronyms and I need to learn all those first...
[20:22] <topi`> ah, wikipedia is your friend here...
[20:22] <daenney> Ha yeah, Java is fun like that
[20:23] <topi`> so basically JNDI allows you to lookup any java objects by name
[20:35] <topi`> I guess I should also read up about the inner workings of containers like Tomcat
[20:44] <jimbaker> topi`, yeah, i have to look up these docs whenever i'm needing to use JNDI etc
[20:45] <jimbaker> just give me plain old java
[20:45] <jimbaker> so topi`, per our previous discussion, you need some explanation on how to use proxymaker
[20:46] <jimbaker> i will be writing this up today/tonight, along w/ figuring out jekyll
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[21:47] <jimbaker> nice, making good progress on the blog post
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