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[14:20] <topi`> any activity here? I noticed there's jython 2.7 beta released in May, but that was a long time ago. any news?
[14:23] <topi`> would it make any sense to develop a web app on top of jython? and if not, why not?
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[17:32] <agronholm> topi`: it would not make a lot of sense
[17:32] <agronholm> what would you gain from doing so?
[19:00] <agronholm> pjenvey: I'm considering adding the current bz2 implementation to default
[19:00] <agronholm> the preread issue will cause some tarlib tests to fail but it's not fatal, can be fixed later
[19:01] <agronholm> having a bz2 implementation would be a big win
[19:01] <agronholm> I should probably ask the original author about the code I removed
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[20:28] <topi`> agronholm: it seems the boss thinks we need to go JVM
[20:29] <agronholm> for what reason?
[20:29] <topi`> and my experience from building web apps is primarily using python
[20:29] <agronholm> there are no advantages to using jython for web apps
[20:29] <agronholm> which are mostly I/O bound
[20:29] <topi`> so just code web apps in java using play or somethign like that?
[20:30] <topi`> it's just that I don't really like java's synta
[20:30] <topi`> syntax
[20:30] <agronholm> play?
[20:31] <topi`> play is a web framework for java
[20:31] <agronholm> did your boss say why you needed to start using a jvm?
[20:31] <topi`> it's not ruby on rails, but I got the impression it isn't that bad
[20:32] <topi`> he wants the backend done in java
[20:32] <agronholm> for what reason?
[20:32] <topi`> he's an engineer, so he appreciates the rigidness of java
[20:32] <topi`> java is excellent for creating cathedrals
[20:32] <agronholm> that's it?
[20:32] <topi`> I guess so
[20:32] <agronholm> I see the rigidness as a hindrance
[20:32] <topi`> but we'll be having more discussions
[20:33] <agronholm> either use java or python for it
[20:33] <topi`> I would definitely use python with CPython, if I were asked to build a semi-complex website
[20:33] <agronholm> jython is unlikely to give you the results you want
[20:33] <topi`> so, for what kind of stuff do ppl use Jython for?
[20:34] <agronholm> some use it for server side apps, some for client apps
[20:34] <agronholm> personally I use it for client side stuff
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[20:34] <topi`> I guess the uses involve some or many java classes?
[20:35] <topi`> since Jython provides a natural bridge there
[20:35] <agronholm> some java classes at least
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[20:37] <topi`> is the perf of Jython adequate? I don't think it can compete with PyPy.
[20:37] <agronholm> it can't even compete with CPython
[20:38] <topi`> naturally, because java can't compete with C :)
[20:38] <agronholm> yes it can
[20:38] <agronholm> some apps are even faster in java than in C
[20:38] <agronholm> when the application can benefit from automatic memory management
[20:41] <pjenvey> there are some long running cases where jython can beat cpython in speed but that's usually not the case
[20:42] <pjenvey> http://strattonbrazil.blogspot.com/2011/08/performance-gains-in-jython-252.html
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