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[0:12] <pjenvey> wee hacking on jython with hg. too bad i have to backport to subversion now
[0:12] <pjenvey> what's sad is when I started hacking on jython I was using hg with it, in my own conversion repo, but then I stopped because it was just a little too annoying backporting between the repos all the time
[0:14] <pjenvey> that was in like '07 =[
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[5:20] <pr3d4t0r> Good evening.
[5:25] <agronholm> pr3d4t0r: if you have any time, I'd like your two cents on aps 2.0
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[13:15] <xtal> hi guys. i'm new to jython and i'm having some trouble setting up eclipse/pydev. when trying to run/debug a jython script, i get an error on the first java import - "from org.apache.log4j import Category" ("No module named log4j"). is it correct that the java classpath by default is the same as PYTHONPATH? because i've got the folder with log4j-1.2.14.jar included as an external library. any
[13:15] <xtal> ideas?
[13:16] <agronholm> java never inspects jars automatically on classpath directories
[13:16] <agronholm> jars have to be explicitly added to it
[13:16] <agronholm> each and every one of them
[13:17] <xtal> oh, let me try that
[13:18] <xtal> hah it works. great, thank you very much :-)
[13:18] <agronholm> this gets asked pretty often
[13:18] <agronholm> baffled me too years ago
[13:19] <xtal> i guess it's probably in the ..faq, then?
[13:19] <agronholm> this is a java issue
[13:19] <agronholm> not a jython issue
[13:19] <agronholm> I stumbled into this long before I even heard of jython
[13:20] <xtal> i see. probably well-known in the java community i guess
[13:20] <agronholm> it's not a bug, fwiw
[13:20] <agronholm> just the way java was intended to work
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[13:26] <xtal> hah it's cool that it works.
[13:28] <xtal> i've decided to start learning jython to be able to develop scripts for one of HP Software's products, Universal CMDB.
[13:29] <xtal> it's got something called Discovery & Dependency Mapping which uses jython scripts to scan infrastructure components and model them in a configuration management database.. then the information in there is used for reference, change management, incident management (event correlation from operations) etc.
[13:29] <agronholm> I recall I've seen something like this already
[13:30] <xtal> yeah? it's pretty widespread, but often you'll need custom discovery modules or customizations to existing ones to retrieve all the info you want
[13:31] <agronholm> http://sevalapsha.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/java-code-structure-and-dependencies-analysis-tools-for-eclipse/
[13:31] <xtal> for instance we want to get data from our SAN system and link the volumes on the SAN to the logical volumes in vmware
[13:31] <agronholm> ah right, this has nothing to do with java
[13:32] <agronholm> my mistake
[13:35] <xtal> yeah, but an intereseting read anyways
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[13:35] <xtal> resting*
[13:36] <xtal> this is hp ddm, if you're curious: https://h10078.www1.hp.com/cda/hpms/display/main/hpms_content.jsp?zn=bto&cp=1-11-15-25^767_4000_100__
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