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[3:56] <fwierzbicki> pjenvey: yep - there aren't that many
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[20:53] <rxKaffee> can a jython app import from "plain" python scripts?
[20:53] <agronholm> what is a plain python script?
[20:53] <rxKaffee> one ending in .py that hasn't been compiled to bytecode
[20:54] <agronholm> whether or not they've been compiled to bytecode is irrelevant
[20:56] <rxKaffee> so, jython running in the VM can import classes from a .py?
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[20:57] <rxKaffee> does this cause a /usr/bin/python interpreter to be spawned to interpret the .py?
[20:59] <agronholm> no
[20:59] <agronholm> jython is essentially a python->bytecode translator and runtime environment
[21:00] <agronholm> it's a Python implementation independent of the regular CPython
[21:00] <rxKaffee> right, I understand this
[21:01] <rxKaffee> I'm thinking in terms of utilizing 3rd-party modules though. ui libraries and such
[21:01] <agronholm> those are no different from your own apps
[21:01] <agronholm> unless they utilize C extensions
[21:02] <rxKaffee> I guess the only way to use those from within a jython application, would be to compile them?
[21:02] <agronholm> uh, you still don't understand apparently
[21:02] <agronholm> why are you so obsessed with compiling stuff
[21:02] <agronholm> I already said it's irrelevant
[21:02] <agronholm> like it is for CPython
[21:02] <rxKaffee> isn't that what jython does? compiles python code to java bytecode, so it can run inside java VM?
[21:03] <agronholm> yeah but that is handled transparently for you
[21:03] <agronholm> CPython does that too
[21:03] <agronholm> what do you think those .pyc files are?
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[21:04] <rxKaffee> afaik, .pyc aren't distributable and should only be used on the machine they were created
[21:04] <agronholm> jython compiles to .class, cpython compiles to .pyc
[21:04] <agronholm> true
[21:04] <agronholm> so you just distribute the .py files
[21:04] <rxKaffee> can the .class similarly not be distributed?
[21:04] <agronholm> they can (I in fact do this with a production application)
[21:05] <agronholm> but you need to be running the same jython version
[21:05] <agronholm> and a compatible java version
[21:05] <agronholm> as when distributing a java app
[21:06] <rxKaffee> maybe this better asks the question I'm curious of then: if a .class is distributed, without jython compiler on the recieving system... can the .class import classes/code from a .py library
[21:07] <agronholm> how you distribute your app is irrelevant as long as it works at all
[21:07] <agronholm> it does not affect its ability to import stuff
[21:11] <rxKaffee> in the case I just mentioned, how would the .py library be "executed" in the absence of a jython compiler?
[21:11] <agronholm> it wouldn't be
[21:11] <agronholm> you need the jython runtime to run your app regardless of how it is distributed
[21:12] <rxKaffee> ah, and the compiler is inseperable from the rest of the runtime I guess?
[21:12] <agronholm> the compiler is an essential part of the runtime
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