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[2:24] <Laureano> I would like to avoid appending to the sys.path object the path to a JAR file which contains a Java library that I'm using from Jython. The package has been processed by sys-package-mgr and I can see it on the cachedir, but I can't import the module without appending the JAR file. Is there a way to avoid this?
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[2:44] <agronholm> you can add it to the class path when launching jython
[2:44] <agronholm> how else would the class loader find the jar?
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[7:02] <intuition> Do you guys know if there is a plugin or another solution that provides Netbeans ide integration with Jython (being used as a scripting lanugage) for debugging?
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[20:39] <Smok> hello everybody
[20:39] <Smok> I have a question
[20:41] <Smok> I'm new at Jython and I'm having trouble understanding packaging apps in Jython. I'm using version 2.5.1. I have read Jython Wiki space about the problem, I have done some googling but still I can't find the solution.
[20:41] <Smok> The problem is that I can't find jythonc - a compiler for Jython
[20:41] <agronholm> Smok: anything more specific than that?
[20:42] <agronholm> oh
[20:42] <agronholm> jythonc is gone
[20:42] <agronholm> for good
[20:42] <agronholm> what do you need to do?
[20:42] <Smok> which (according to Wiki) should allow me to generate executable JAR file
[20:42] <agronholm> jythonc doesn't generate any jar files
[20:42] <agronholm> and how are you deploying your app anyway
[20:44] <agronholm> Smok: ?
[20:44] <Smok> for now I'm using Eclipse with PyDev plugin to develop my scripts and unit tests for them
[20:44] <agronholm> but how will you deploy your application?
[20:45] <Smok> deploy? you mean like web app? If that's a case, then I will not
[20:45] <agronholm> applet? java web start? java application server?
[20:45] <Smok> I won't to create an executable JAR
[20:45] <agronholm> you still need the jython runtime
[20:46] <agronholm> I guess you _could_ package them in a single jar
[20:46] <Smok> which could be launched from command line
[20:46] <Smok> that's what I want to do :)
[20:46] <Smok> could you please help me out?
[20:46] <agronholm> is it an option for you to install the jython runtime so it won't have to be packaged in the application jar?
[20:47] <Smok> If it's necessary
[20:47] <agronholm> it is the preferred option
[20:48] <Smok> and the only thing which user of my app will have to do is just install Jython and add it's interpreter to syspath?
[20:48] <agronholm> to PATH you mean? (not python's sys.path)
[20:48] <Smok> yes, PATH
[20:49] <Smok> what should I do then?
[20:49] <agronholm> how would you prefer to have your app launched? java -jar yourapp.jar?
[20:50] <Smok> It would be fine
[20:51] <Smok> because user of this app is Java developer
[20:52] <agronholm> I don't think there's any really neat way to do this while packaging as a jar
[20:52] <agronholm> you could set the Main-Class attribute in the app's META-INF/MANIFEST.MF to the jython interpreter
[20:53] <agronholm> but I'm not aware of any method to supply arguments as well, except manually
[20:53] <agronholm> so you'd have to add a stub java class
[20:53] <agronholm> and you'd have to manually add jython.jar to CLASSPATH
[20:53] <agronholm> not the approach I would recommend
[20:54] <Smok> and what approach would you recommend?
[20:54] <agronholm> forgetting about jars entirely
[20:54] <Smok> and what instead?
[20:54] <agronholm> make it a python app rather than a java app
[20:54] <agronholm> package it as a python app so it will add a command line script to the PATH on install
[20:55] <agronholm> then that other guy can just invoke your app with a simple command
[20:55] <Smok> could you please give some reference? I have never developed Python app
[20:56] <agronholm> http://guide.python-distribute.org/
[20:56] <agronholm> the key is creating a setup.py file
[20:57] <agronholm> after you have a working setup.py, you can package your app using "jython setup.py sdist"
[21:00] <Smok> how about this approach http://www.jython.org/jythonbook/en/1.0/SimpleWebApps.html#distributing-via-standalone-jar ?
[21:01] <agronholm> so is this a web app after all?
[21:01] <agronholm> how were you planning to execute an app packaged like that?
[21:01] <Smok> no, it's not
[21:01] <Smok> but would that work for desktop app either?
[21:01] <agronholm> yes it would, if it's deployed via java web start
[21:02] <agronholm> which this mentions right in the first sentence
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[21:51] <Smok> agronholm, You said, that Jythonc was abandoned - why?
[21:52] <agronholm> because it can't fully support language features added since python 2.2
[21:52] <agronholm> such as generators
[21:53] <Smok> that's why sites where Jythonc was described were based on Jython 2.2
[21:53] <Smok> have you heard about OneJar project?
[21:53] <agronholm> I don't think so
[21:54] <Smok> It's an app, which allows users to pack apps in single JAR, even for Jython
[21:55] <Smok> I'm trying to do that now
[21:57] <agronholm> hm I may have heard of it after all
[21:57] <Smok> I read about Python packaging, but with this option I won't be able to profile the app with VisualVM
[21:57] <agronholm> yeah well that will be excruciating anyway
[21:57] <agronholm> profiling a python app with a java profiler
[21:58] <Smok> yes, exactly :)
[22:00] <Smok> I know that it sounds weird, but I started learning Jython for my Eng. work at university
[22:01] <Smok> It worked!
[22:01] <Smok> now I need to adopt it to my project :)
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