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[3:14] <jimbaker> MrJones98: could you post in a pastebin the problem parse? or file a bug?
[3:14] <jimbaker> re datetime.strptime
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[3:18] <jeremysiek> Hi Jim... so this is the Jython IRC Channel :) Thanks again for meeting on Tuesday :)
[3:18] <jimbaker> jeremysiek: yes, that was a great meeting
[3:21] <jimbaker> i think we have a good plan for addressing jython performance, and some immediate things we can do. the most important thing is to use the fact that we can test ideas out with custom PyCode objects
[3:22] <jimbaker> this allows for side-by-side comparison of PyBytecode using polymorphic instructions
[3:22] <jeremysiek> agreed.
[3:23] <jimbaker> or trying out invokedynamic, or naive python to naive java strategies. lots of potential experiments
[3:23] <jeremysiek> I'm sure your busy with the new job stuff, but did you get a chance to send an email to Shashank with some suggestions for getting started with running your python bytecode interpreter on some tests, etc.
[3:25] <jimbaker> jeremysiek: more having a head cold slowing me down right now. but i will definitely do that. i just realized i do have his email address
[3:25] <jeremysiek> hope you feel better soon!
[3:26] <jimbaker> just need to get some good sleep and i think i should be set
[3:27] <jeremysiek> nod
[3:46] <shanka> jeremysiek: jimbaker: hello
[3:47] <jimbaker> shanka: hi!
[3:47] <jeremysiek> shanka... Shashank I presume? :)
[3:48] <shanka> jeremysiek: yes :)
[3:48] <shanka> jimbaker: hope you have a speedy recovery. hope it's nothing a good night's sleep can't reparit
[3:48] <shanka> repair*
[3:48] <jimbaker> shanka: i'm writing an email to you now re where to start on PyCode experiments
[3:49] <jimbaker> thanks, if it's what my wife had, i should hopefully be over it soon too
[3:49] <shanka> jimbaker: thanks, i've downloaded the source code via sf.net
[3:49] <jimbaker> shanka: if you don't have a preference, i recommend intellij for working with jython's source
[3:50] <shanka> and looked through a bit yesterday. I usually use eclipse for my development
[3:50] <shanka> had not heard of intellij, will download it now
[3:51] <jimbaker> eclipse is ok, but intellij integrates better with the command line and it's just easier to use
[3:52] <MrJones98> jimbaker: i'll try and file a bug tomorrow, unless you prefer me to pastebin it here first
[3:53] <jimbaker> i used to use netbeans but it's just not as competitive as i'd like. also it lacks the ability to work with projects that have complex ant builds like ours in terms of resolving dependent jars
[3:54] <jimbaker> MrJones98: i won't be able to look at it until tomorrow anyway. i'm also probably the default person to work on this bug
[3:54] <shanka> jimbaker: sure, downloading intellij now. I'll try it out and let you know.
[3:54] <MrJones98> jimbaker: sounds good - thanks!
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[4:16] <jimbaker> shanka: sent you my email on where to start
[4:16] <jimbaker> also thobe joined irc. so i should introduce the two of you
[4:17] <shanka> jimbaker: thanks just got the mail
[4:17] <jimbaker> thobe: shanka is a student working with jeremysiek at univ of colorado. he's going to help us with jython performance
[4:17] <shanka> thobe: hi :)
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[4:19] <jimbaker> shanka: thobe did all the great stuff a few years ago to figure out a crazy scheme of cross compiling python bytecode to java bytecode. this gave us the insight on what we needed to do to support the ython 2.5 language
[4:19] <jimbaker> that would be python
[4:20] <shanka> oh ok. i remember. you mentioned him the other day
[4:21] <jimbaker> thobe is tobias ivarsson, now at neo4j, formerly at linkoping university in sweden. ok, i've got to go. shanka please raise any questions you have here, this is the right place for them
[4:22] <shanka> jimbaker: sure. thanks for the mail
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[4:25] <thobe> shanka: hi, nice to see that someone is finally joining jeremy on that project
[4:26] <thobe> I'm actually just mostly idling in the channel, lots and lots of stuff going on at work these days
[4:27] <shanka> thobe: hi. yeah, i'm just beginning on it
[4:32] <thobe> great, I might not be able to respond that frequently, but I'd love to hear about your progress.
[4:33] <thobe> I'm still hoping to get more time for Jython, but there is a lot of competition for my time
[4:37] <shanka> thobe: sure i'll keep you posted.
[4:37] <shanka> thobe: also hope jython gets some of your time :)
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[18:00] <jimbaker> MrJones98: could you please append to http://bugs.jython.org/issue1666 a test case that exhibits this behavior in datetime.strptime? ideally this would be a unit test
[18:01] <jimbaker> in general, we appreciate all reported bugs. but given limited time to research and solve a problem, the more our users can help us, that works best :)
[18:04] <jimbaker> and the other thing i find is that it often takes more time to determine the desired behavior than to fix the bug. this can be true across a wide range of bugs.
[18:11] <MrJones98> i'll see if i can strip out a subset of my code
[18:11] <MrJones98> i think the key issue is that it looks like jython uses simpledateformat to implement the strptime function
[18:11] <MrJones98> and simpledateformat doesn't support microseconds
[18:11] <MrJones98> i'll add a test case to simplify the reproduction/testing
[18:12] <jimbaker> sure. probably easiest is just test for the format character, and use the alternative parser
[18:13] <MrJones98> what's the development process like for jython? i'd be happy to spend some time to try and fix it since it's something i need anyways
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[18:13] <jimbaker> MrJones98: contributors welcome!
[18:14] <MrJones98> i assume it's all documented somewhere on the website?
[18:14] <MrJones98> i'll take a look over the next couple days
[18:14] <MrJones98> working out a different bug with hbase right now
[18:14] <jimbaker> we are very happy to help anybody contribute. but the dev docs are somewhat lacking
[18:15] <jimbaker> our bigger doc priorities are updating the http://jython.org/docs/index.html and to create a jython tutorial. but the wiki has some useful nuggets
[18:18] <MrJones98> ok thansk
[18:20] <jimbaker> MrJones98: i think the best way to contrib to jython is to do as you plan. pick something specific to work on. then come here for advice. you will *always* get help here for that
[18:20] <MrJones98> sounds good
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[18:21] <jimbaker> the only challenge is that we tend to have async conversations on irc. so it may take some time to rendezvous. but i and others here look at the log
[18:24] <jimbaker> more thoughts re dev process. we are closing up jython 2.5.2. we probably will have second release candidate. but at this point, most of us are starting on 2.6+ work. informally we have agreed on a 3-month moratorium on what exactly 2.6+ will be, when it's released, just to research scope and do some experimental coding
[18:26] <MrJones98> so this fix, if one is needed, probably won't make it until 2.6.x, right?
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[18:30] <jimbaker> MrJones98: if you have a unit test, i will have it in for 2.5.2rc2
[18:31] <jimbaker> i personally would like to see a rc2, however, we haven't decided on that yet
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[20:18] <jimbaker> that's cute, i really like the new logo for http://wiki.python.org/jython/ - anyway, MrJones98, please take a look at http://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonDeveloperGuide
[20:18] <jimbaker> shanka: also we probably should use the email i sent you as a basis for a new page in the wiki too
[20:20] <jimbaker> the biggest issue you will see in the dev docs is that anything that says "roadmap" or "project management" is almost certain wrong/out-of-date
[20:21] <MrJones98> what's your timeline for rc2?
[20:21] <MrJones98> just so i have a drop-dead date
[20:21] <MrJones98> i'm currently marching towards my qualifying exam so without a drop-dead date, it might not get done :-)
[20:22] <jimbaker> pjenvey, fwierzbicki , ohumbel - what do you think about the need for an RC2?
[20:23] <jimbaker> i think the interactive console bug is big enough to warrant one, since this blocks ipython from properly working. plus we have at least one bug we could potentially still fix, support for super on Java classes
[20:24] <jimbaker> if we were to do this, i would suggest next weekend (halloween!) as the target. that would give us one week from initial RC1 release, plus another for bug fixes
[20:24] <jimbaker> MrJones98: i think that answers your question. we need to reach a consensus, and this is where we do it
[20:25] <MrJones98> cool, thanks
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[21:02] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: I think an rc2 makes sense then.
[21:03] <shanka> jimbaker: i'm slightly drowned in assignments today. but sure i'll create a wiki page in the next day or two with the content in the email
[21:03] <fwierzbicki> I know I'm excited ipython
[21:03] <fwierzbicki> s/excited/excited about/
[21:05] <jimbaker> fwierzbicki: indeed. 2.5.2 with ipython working on all JLine supported platforms (windows, anything unixy) is definitely a big upgrade from jython 2.1, and i'd like to convert some of the holdouts out there ;)
[21:05] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: sounds great!
[21:08] <jimbaker> shanka: thanks for helping on the wiki page, don't worry about the timing, your assignments should get done first of course
[21:08] <shanka> jimbaker: sure
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[23:32] <pjenvey> another rc is ok, we can also get this patch in: http://bugs.jython.org/file894/issue1665_test_and_fix.diff
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