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[1:01] <agronholm> not sure why os x was talked about
[1:02] <agronholm> I for one tested on Linux
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[4:36] <jimbaker> pjenvey: in jython.java, you have a comment that InteractiveConsole is always used because alternative consoles (presumably JLineConsole) have issues with standard file streams
[4:38] <jimbaker> it's not clear to me that the stty used by JLineConsole would not properly work here. don't know about windows however
[4:39] <jimbaker> (as in, if it can't do stty, it fails and we go to InteractiveConsole instead)
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[7:59] <azazel> hi all
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[8:39] <richard99> hi, anyone on to answer a short question on jython?
[8:40] <richard99> wondering if it is possible to get json support
[8:45] <Oti> azazel -hi
[8:45] <Oti> richard99 - what do you mean by json support?
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[8:47] <richard99> when i try to import json packages in jython, I get error. json is supported in python 2.7, but when I run the same script through jython (2.5.1) I get error
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[9:24] <Oti> maybe you need a pure java json package?
[9:39] <richard99> ok, i have been looking a bit
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[14:30] <jimbaker> richard99: you can install simplejson
[14:31] <jimbaker> (works well)
[14:34] <jimbaker> but it begs two questions. 1. should we provide support for pip/distribute (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute) out of the box with jython 2.5.2? 2. we may want to bundle alan's jyson module (http://opensource.xhaus.com/)
[14:38] <jimbaker> this would require http://opensource.xhaus.com/projects/jyson/wiki/JysonCompliance - nothing here looks more than a day or so of work
[14:42] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: I'd vote for using simplejson over Jyson.
[14:42] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: simplejson became the json package for all later distributions. Unless Jyson is API compatible, simplejson is a better choice. More Pythonic.
[14:43] <jimbaker> sure, jyson has to be modified to support the standard interface
[14:43] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: There you go.
[14:44] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: Meanwhile, I've been using simplejson in production since March without issues (on a Jython run-time).
[14:44] <jimbaker> yeah, simplejson works fine for me too
[14:44] <jimbaker> but it's just a question of performance here
[14:45] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: I'd be surprised if Jyson gives a significant advantage over simplejson.
[14:46] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: Maybe it does; it would seem that the Java implementation still has to call lots of Jython code to map types and so on, which would be slow regardless.
[14:46] <jimbaker> depends on usage. i would imagine that json docs tend to be worked with on perhaps smaller chunks than say an xml doc
[14:47] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: http://opensource.xhaus.com/projects/jyson/wiki/JysonEncodeMappings
[14:47] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: Yes, that's generally true.
[14:47] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: That's what makes me think that performance vs. simplejson isn't that much better.
[14:47] <jimbaker> so it sounds like an issue that should be postponed to 2.6
[14:48] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: I just re-read the Jyson spec; it claims to be compatible with the json module.
[14:48] <jimbaker> but missing some current functionality
[14:48] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: Yup.
[14:49] <jimbaker> maybe the best bet is to create a jython-simplejson package which plugs into simplejson and adds java perf
[14:49] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: simplejson is just more robust. I don't know if I'd trust portability or behaviour in Jyson for a production system.
[14:50] <jimbaker> and can be based on jyson (or perhaps other code out there - whatever is fastest)
[14:50] <jimbaker> such as google-gson
[14:50] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: Gson is pretty slow too :)
[14:51] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: A client of mine just ran the benchmarks last week. They ditched it in favour of Jersey.
[14:51] <jimbaker> pr3d4t0r: ok, good to know the real world experience here :)
[14:52] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: http://www.cowtowncoder.com/blog/archives/2009/09/entry_326.html
[14:52] <pr3d4t0r> jimbaker: Gotta go - I'll be back in an hour.
[14:52] <jimbaker> cool, ttyl
[14:56] <jimbaker> so it looks like jackson is a good choice, http://jackson.codehaus.org/ - the streaming model would also work well with json/simplejson
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[15:30] <Taggnostr> hello
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[17:30] <pjenvey> jimbaker - according to my comment here http://bugs.jython.org/msg4665 enabling jline w/ an interactive stdin causes some test failures
[17:31] <pjenvey> I don't remember the details around the failures
[17:32] <Taggnostr> we are going to change the weekly summary of tracker issues for python-dev, is it ok if we change your summary too?
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[17:51] <pjenvey> Taggnostr - what's the change?
[17:52] <Taggnostr> see the last summary sent to python-dev
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[17:56] <pjenvey> Taggnostr - sounds good
[17:56] <pjenvey> thanks
[17:57] <Taggnostr> if everything goes ok it will be applied before the next summary on Friday
[17:57] <Taggnostr> if there's something wrong you can complain here: http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue284
[17:57] <Taggnostr> or reply on python-dev
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