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[4:33] <rxnfx> if i want to distribute my jython api as a jar, do i need to put class in it's own separate .py file?
[4:34] <rxnfx> *to put each class
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[4:49] <sabi> no.
[4:49] <sabi> normal python import mechanisms apply
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[5:11] <rxnfx> i see. and i can distribute that jar to the lib directory of a webapp ( for example)
[5:11] <rxnfx> ?
[5:40] <agronholm> sure
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[14:27] <nubae> hi the
[14:27] <nubae> there even
[14:28] <nubae> I was wondering... I am quite an adept python coder... but java has always for some reason given me me a reason not to get into it...
[14:29] <nubae> what I'd liked to know if is if I can code something in python and convert to java somehow and it will be relatively usable
[14:29] <agronholm> "some reason" being cumbersome and inflexible?
[14:29] <nubae> I'm talking here more about an android app
[14:29] <agronholm> jython does not convert code to java
[14:29] <nubae> which as far as I've understood needs to be coded with java
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[14:29] <nubae> agronholm, heheh yes
[14:29] <agronholm> yeah but android has a completely different virtual machine
[14:30] <agronholm> than standard java
[14:30] <nubae> ok, are u saying I could use python somehow to create a android app?
[14:30] <agronholm> jython compiles to standard java bytecode
[14:30] <agronholm> not android
[14:30] <nubae> :-(
[14:31] <nubae> sigh... so the only way to create a usable android app is coding in java?
[14:31] <agronholm> I'm not sure how doable jython on android is
[14:31] <agronholm> it's really slow even on desktop computers
[14:31] <agronholm> I don't even want to think how slow it'd be on mobile devices
[14:31] <agronholm> so yeah, java is your only choice afaik
[14:31] <nubae> jython?
[14:32] <agronholm> what?
[14:32] <nubae> sigh... ok... I guess I have to get back into my old CS courses and bite the bullet
[14:32] <juneau001> There is jythonroid
[14:32] <nubae> jython is slow I am asking?
[14:33] <juneau001> but that project has been abandoned I believe...
[14:33] <nubae> really?
[14:33] <agronholm> nubae, yes, jython is slow
[14:33] <nubae> ah :-(
[14:33] <juneau001> Also, there is another choice for running jython, jruby, etc on android...
[14:33] <juneau001> hold on a second and I'll get the link....
[14:33] <juneau001> not sure how mature the engine is though...
[14:33] <nubae> I was really hoping to find a wat to use python to code android apps
[14:34] <juneau001> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
[14:34] <nubae> I really wonder why google chose to just allow java for the dev kit
[14:34] <juneau001> Android Scripting environment brings scripting languages to Android allowing you to edit and execute scripts and interactive interpreters directly on the device...
[14:35] <nubae> ok jruby would be prefereable to coding direcly in java if that is at all possible
[14:35] <juneau001> Scripts can be run interactively in a terminal, in the background, or via Locale. Python, Perl, JRuby, Lua, BeanShell, JavaScript, Tcl, and shell are currently supported, and we're planning to add more. See the ASE Video Help playlist on YouTube for various demonstrations of ASE's features.
[14:35] <juneau001> I really am not sure if this will work for you as I have not tried it, but it is worth a look I think.
[14:35] <nubae> what are you saying, I can code an app in python for androd¿
[14:36] <nubae> ?
[14:36] <nubae> ok, I gyess I need to do some more research
[14:37] <nubae> I'll do a writeup on what I find out... as I guess I cannot be the only peron with such questions
[14:38] <nubae> I wish I didnt have such an aversion to java....
[14:38] <juneau001> agronholm is right though...who knows how fast it will be
[14:39] <juneau001> if you try it then let us know for sure.
[14:39] <nubae> what could I try to test speed that woudnt take me weeks?
[14:40] <nubae> i guess something involving animation or so?
[14:44] <juneau001> yeah, something with animation or even an app that hits a database would probably work well.
[14:44] <juneau001> If you are testing performance of round trips to and from a server
[14:46] <nubae> I'm gonna hit the #android channel, perhaps, they can give me some advice, but I'd like to try the jython method as it seems like a greeat solution if it isnt too slow
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[14:50] <juneau001> good luck nubae, let us know how it goes
[14:51] <nubae> will do
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