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[12:26] <agronholm> can we set the file system encoding based on Charset.getDefaultCharset()?
[12:26] <agronholm> it would solve a few problems...
[12:34] <agronholm> can we also set os.name properly? that would eliminate a great number of patches
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[21:11] <jimbaker> agronholm, os.name is not going to change. it will also break some additional number of things
[21:11] <jimbaker> i don't know about file system encoding. that might make sense. best to try it out and report back
[21:12] <agronholm> jimbaker: what things will it break?
[21:12] <jimbaker> agronholm, stuff that's not checking for capabilities comes to mind
[21:13] <agronholm> I tested Charset.getDefaultCharset() on ubuntu and windows
[21:13] <jimbaker> but hey, love to see real reporting pn what would happen. maybe we can could analyze packages on pypi, after we see what we have to change in jython itself and allied pieces like setuptools and pip
[21:13] <agronholm> got UTF-8 and windows-1251 respectively
[21:14] <jimbaker> agronholm, sure. so the key piece is to see what then works or fails with these proposed changes
[21:14] <jimbaker> i see file system encoding as being less problematic
[21:14] <agronholm> it'll be quite a while until we can successfully run the regression tests
[21:15] <jimbaker> what regression tests?
[21:15] <agronholm> jython's (on 3)
[21:15] <agronholm> after what I did
[21:15] <jimbaker> oh, i see, so this is a proposal for jython 3. didn't get the context
[21:15] <agronholm> oh sorry
[21:15] <jimbaker> yes, that does make sense for jython 3
[21:16] <agronholm> okay, now we're on the same page :)
[21:43] <jimbaker> agronholm, so i have committed all the changes that i marked as blocking RC3 (that is, of urgent priority), plus a few others, other than the launcher fix
[21:43] <agronholm> great
[21:43] <jimbaker> which apparently i'm procrastinating on, because it's a silly argparsing issue, and i don't really like such stuff ;)
[21:43] <jimbaker> but will get done
[21:44] <agronholm> ok so the launcher fix is the only issue now?
[21:44] <agronholm> blocking RC3
[21:44] <jimbaker> jeff allen is also putting together a slew of fixes for windows that he will commit by end of today
[21:44] <jimbaker> agronholm, yes
[21:44] <agronholm> great
[21:44] <jeffallen> Hi Jim. I'm merging a handful of changes made this weekend.
[21:44] <jimbaker> speaking of such things, jeff can speak for it himself ;)
[21:45] <jeffallen> Did I give the impression I was fixing all the ones I logged? Not so, not yet anyway.
[21:45] <jimbaker> jeffallen, no, you gave the impression that you were fixing some number of them :)
[21:46] <jimbaker> i believe fixing all of the windows bugs would have demonstrated superhuman stamina...
[21:47] <jimbaker> jeffallen, and while that would have been amazing, it's not at all expected
[21:48] <jeffallen> I've made regrtest -m work again, silenced the sys-package-mgr, and one failing JUnit test. Only human.
[21:48] <jimbaker> that's awesome enough :)
[21:51] <jeffallen> regrtest was fun. I think the -e flag actually does what it's supposed to now. I hadn't realised it was a Jython specific.
[21:55] <jimbaker> jeffallen, i rather like that message it reports, very amusing
[21:55] <jimbaker> # CPython Command Could GC Java, Jython Nonreliable Not Python
[21:55] <jimbaker> almost an easter egg
[21:55] <jimbaker> or an unintentional one
[21:56] <jeffallen> You should add it to your collection of unflattering tweets.
[21:56] <jimbaker> i'm so used to running it with ant regrtest so of course i hadn't observed before you mentioned it
[21:57] <jimbaker> jeffallen, hah. yes. it's a good addition for sure
[22:00] <jeffallen> I wasn't particularly focussing on Windows bugs as few (none of the ones I added?) are on the high-priority list. (I have stored query.) I was looking tentatively at things related to module loading.
[22:01] <jeffallen> 2158, 1879
[22:11] <jimbaker> jeffallen, both are good bugs to resolve. i only spent time on http://bugs.jython.org/issue2158, but at this point i think it needs fresh eyes
[22:13] <jimbaker> a somewhat related import bug is http://bugs.jython.org/issue1423
[22:16] <jimbaker> also unassigned myself from all bugs except ones i immediately plan to work on for 2.7.1
[22:16] <jeffallen> Would you say our implementation of the import mechanism is up with 2.7 documentation? I single-stepped through a bit of it but was not sure what I should be seeing.
[22:17] <jeffallen> Went off to read.
[22:46] <jimbaker> jeffallen, the approach we have taken is to try to port it line-by-line from CPython. except that wasn't always done
[22:47] <jimbaker> the docs don't capture everything iirc
[22:47] <jimbaker> such as patches, peps, and random code :)
[22:53] <jeffallen> The docs in 2.7 are a bit circular. They ref PEP 302, which says "don't believe me, I'm historical". 3.x docs are better, but I know some things differ.
[22:55] <jeffallen> Well, my code is in, so that's a natural break for me. Good luck with rc3.
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