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[8:33] <peke> jimbaker: I'd take ensure pip over 2.7.9 stdlib any day!
[8:34] <peke> Where's the latest docs for setting up Jython development environment and for building it?
[8:36] <peke> A colleague who has some maven experience promised to look what would it take to mavenize Jython. For that he (and I who promised to help him) should know how the current build process goes.
[8:41] <peke> jimbaker: What would it take to test 2.7.9 stdlib? Setting up Jython devenv and then copying 2.7.9 over like you explained in http://bugs.jython.org/issue2250?
[8:54] <paolo> peke: maybe useful https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonDeveloperGuide
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[15:48] <jimbaker> peke, it should be very straightforward to mavenize
[15:51] <jimbaker> many of the remaining tasks are not coredev tasks - eg, stuff that requires touching the compiler or in a critical part of the runtime. they are more like this issue - http://bugs.jython.org/issue2248
[15:54] <jimbaker> peke, i assume this is fine for you - http://bugs.jython.org/issue1841
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[17:08] <peke> jimbaker: with remaining tasks, do you mean issues related 2.7 or mavenization?
[17:08] <jimbaker> both
[17:09] <peke> Ok. I can take a look at mavenization with my colleague once we get Robot Framework 2.8.7 out. Perhaps already tomorrow but definitely this week.
[17:11] <peke> I ought to have time to Jython related work also afterwards so hopefully can help with 2.7. We plan to drop Jython 2.5 support in RF 2.9 this spring, so having Jython 2.7 in RC phace would be great for us.
[17:11] <jimbaker> peke, sounds good. i really hope we can move to a more sustainable model of more contributions by a wider group of developers. right now, we are constrained by a terrible workflow, specifically with respect to no CI on PRs
[17:12] <peke> Yeah, contributing to Jython isn't _that_ complicated but modern tools and processes (mainly PRs) would make it so much easier.
[17:13] <peke> Importantly PRs would save core developer time reviewing contributions. Tooling GitHub provides for reviewing, commenting and mergin PRs are great. I've been able to merge most of our PRs on the web UI.
[17:15] <jimbaker> i generally like to review changes on at least 3 platforms before pushing (currently os x 10.10.1, ubuntu 14.10, windows 8.1), so that's a lot of overhead we could save :)
[17:16] <jimbaker> especially if i could stage a feature branch that way
[17:16] <peke> Oh, http://bugs.jython.org/issue1841
[17:16] <jimbaker> at this point, i have abandoned using branches because they have always been so tedious to merge in
[17:16] <peke> looks good
[17:16] <jimbaker> i just manage diffs
[17:17] <peke> I never really used branches either before switching to Git.
[17:17] <jimbaker> peke, sounds good, i think we are missing testing for setting env vars re 1841
[17:18] <peke> Of course if Jython knows system encoding, it could convert correct Unicode to correct bytes.
[17:18] <jimbaker> peke, branches/bookmarks work reasonably well in hg, but they accumulate lots of history. so hg.python.org rejects them, and that is not simple to fix if there's anything complicated in the history
[17:19] <jimbaker> simple to fix in my case means - what's the diff to do the same thing
[17:19] <jimbaker> socket-reboot was a nightmare to merge as a consequence - there were maybe 130-150 commits, plus a lot of merges
[17:19] <jimbaker> to pull in upstream
[17:20] <jimbaker> which i had to squash down into one commitable diff
[17:20] <jimbaker> if this had been on git, it would have been easy
[17:22] <jimbaker> peke, the next step on ensurepip is to ensure jython -m ensurepip is run as part of the installer
[17:22] <jimbaker> i assume this should be an autochecked option that can be checked off
[17:22] <jimbaker> at which point, the user gets a full builtin pip in the bin directory with jython
[17:24] <jimbaker> the next step would be to see if the setuptools we are currently installing can also be used to build a jython.exe stub. that would be a true example of ouroboros in action
[17:24] <peke> jimbaker: <3 pip
[17:24] <jimbaker> for windows
[17:25] <jimbaker> peke, ensurepip seems to be working just fine on osx/linux. i'm going to try it out on windows next and see what needs to be done. please try it out yourself
[17:25] <jimbaker> virtualenv also needs to be resolved
[17:26] <jimbaker> for 2.7.1, it would be great if we are using venv, and can make it jython aware. because jar packaging can make this much more interesting
[17:26] <peke> Cool! I'll definitely test pip. Want to get that RF 2.8.7 out of the door first, though. And now I need to go to spinning.
[17:26] <jimbaker> lastly, since you have a maven expert - i did some investigation of maven + clamp
[17:27] <jimbaker> peke, sounds good, ttyl!
[17:27] <peke> Actually, do you call indoor cycling spinning in English??
[17:27] <jimbaker> well, spinning refers to a specific type of indoor cycling that emphasizes a high cadence/low resistance workout
[17:28] <jimbaker> and in the US, it's often done to electronic dance music - or something with a fast beat - in a group setting. it's pretty cool
[17:28] <jimbaker> i used to do it all the time, but now i trail run
[17:30] <peke> Bye, ttyl!
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[21:01] <jimbaker> if anyone here has a chance, please try out the beta4 jars so we can finalize them
[21:01] <jimbaker> they work for me. but i hope they work for you :)
[21:01] <jimbaker> http://sourceforge.net/p/jython/mailman/message/33218587/
[21:02] <jimbaker> we plan to finalize this thursday, and announce on www.jython.org, etc
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