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[5:39] <valtih_> what does PythonInterpreter.set(name, val) do? I need to pass the command line argument to the script. I cannot understand anything. The PythonInterpreter.initialize(prePrps, postProps, args) does not seem have any effect -- the sys.argv is empty in my Python regardless of `args` value in the `initialize` method. What are the `local variables`? How can I pass the arguments to my embedded python?
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[8:31] <topi`> argh. my boss says "we can't accept this jython thingy; you need to redo project X properly"
[8:31] <topi`> I wonder what does he mean with "properly". With Groovy? hah
[8:31] <topi`> guys, give some moral support. I'm working with a bunch of idiots. I don't know how long can I endure this
[8:32] <agronholm> I don't know the exact circumstances
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[8:40] <topi`> it was a new requirement/feature that needed to be implemented, assigned to me. It was specced as a "deployable WAR", so I created a django app and used django-on-jython to create the .war
[8:41] <topi`> a rather simplistic UI that can be used to view the current status of several subsystems. Using java to code the whole thing seemed an overkill, and I have no desire to start learning the Spring toolkit, which is kind of bloated
[8:42] <topi`> for the same reason, ppl don't usually code server software in C, although it *can* be done.
[8:44] <topi`> the spring/hibernate combo *does* have one advantage, though - it can do automatic column additions when the schema changes, at .war startup time, unlike the django solution (where I was using south, but it still needs to be run from the command line)
[8:46] <agronholm> iirc the hibernate docs strongly warn against automatic column additions
[8:47] <agronholm> in production at least
[8:47] <topi`> we're still a startup, and in the very beginning phase of "production"
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[15:14] <jimbaker> topi`, i don't know how this impact things for you, but beta 3 is coming together, with relative star imports, sre memoization in trunk; and socket-reboot slowly making progress
[15:14] <jimbaker> (i did see one issue in rel star imports in terms of the testing of pip... there's at least one circumstance we don't properly handle)
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[16:49] <whg> jimbaker: Is the relative star import stuff helped or hindered by all the importlib work that Brett Cannon did a while back?
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[16:55] <jimbaker> whg, well if this were on jython 3.x, it would make things easier :)
[16:55] <whg> jimbaker: 3.x makes everything easier
[16:55] <jimbaker> basically importlib on 2.x is pretty minimal
[16:56] <jimbaker> 3.x actually uses python to implement the import logic
[16:57] <jimbaker> which means we could run the same code on both jython and cpython, which would simply have it be the same. we try to do this by mostly - but not completely - porting cpython's import module from c to java, including following the same names
[17:05] <whg> Ah, I had thought 2.7 got the Python-based importlib, too. I wasn't *too* interested in import mechanics at the time, so I must have misread something by accident.
[17:06] <pjenvey> 2.7 (maybe even 2.6) includes importlib but it's not actually used for __import__
[17:06] <pjenvey> until 3.3
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