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[15:16] <topi`> jimbaker: ...but we should get b2 working with *both* java 1.7 and java 1.6 since many systems still ship only 1.6 (like OSX snow leopard)
[15:16] <topi`> otherwise, it would make sense to support O_NOFOLLOW with java 7
[15:17] <topi`> I need a weekend without childcare to actually get some real ssl code done...
[15:17] <topi`> playing around and architecting is all good, but that won't deliver working beta.
[15:22] <jimbaker> topi`, at this point i don't think we should really worry about java 6
[15:22] <jimbaker> the only way we can regrtest is running on a snow leopard install. which i don't have
[15:24] <jimbaker> more importantly, we don't have a CI setup w/ snow leopard, and it's the sort of specific box running in someone's basement that is not sustainable
[15:26] <jimbaker> topi`, re ssl - yes, it's exactly that sort of project. it requires some intense weekend focus to get through it. maybe we can figure out how to break it up however into smaller pieces. i have time again, and i'm feeling better after being quite sick yesterday
[15:28] <whg> topi`: You can't get Snow Leopard anymore
[15:28] <whg> topi`: And I'm pretty sure you get a free upgrade to Mavericks
[15:28] <whg> topi`: So the number of users in that boat should be steadily shrinking
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[16:16] <daenney> Mavericks is indeed a free upgrade from 10.6 onwards, as long as people update their 10.6 so they get the Mac App Store as that's the only legal distrubtion path
[16:17] <daenney> Seeing new OS X adoption rates it's usually safe to assume that about half a year in everyone who can update will have or has some very specific reason not to
[16:19] <daenney> Looking at GoSquared 15% is Mavericks, 35% Is Mountain Lion, 25% is Lion, 22% is Snow Leopard
[16:20] <daenney> Sorry, wrong numbers, 23% Mavericks, 32% ML, 20% Lion, 20% Snow Leopard
[16:22] <daenney> Seeing Mavericks is a free upgrade whereas all the previous ones were paid I think it's safe to say SL and L will continue loosing ground steadily the coming months
[16:24] <daenney> Daily stats are showing Mavericks on 26%, SL down to 18%
[16:47] <whg> yeah
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[18:03] <pheller> Hello, I see some stuff in jython is dependent upon termios, but that termios is not distributed with jython... am I missing something here?
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[18:12] <jimbaker> although jython 2.7 is also a free upgrade, we do not have apple's resources ;), so supporting SL really doesn't make sense
[18:18] <jimbaker> pheller, that's merely because we distribute the regular python std library
[18:19] <jimbaker> termios is not actually supported
[18:21] <jimbaker> for such integration, i really recommend rexec/execnet to let jython use cpython to drive this sort of thing. anything else is way too much work
[18:34] <pheller> ok, thanks
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[20:41] <jimbaker> i have created a repo to do the switch over to java 7, https://bitbucket.org/jimbaker/jython-java7
[20:42] <jimbaker> AutoCloseable support, NOFOLLOW, i'm sure there are other things
[20:44] * jimbaker sick of writing such code as from contexlib import closing; with closing(ZipInputStream(???)) as f, when we actually have enough knowledge for the appropriate context mgr, plus java 7 even now supports this convenience ;)
[21:00] <sinsnare|away> so many forks!
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[23:31] <topi`> daenney: I'll upgrade to Mavericks as soon as I have time to sort my hard disk out and reinstall all apps ;)
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