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IRC Log for 2012-08-14

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[0:01] <varialus> Ok, I think I've got the source files in a decent location. Now I'm just searching for how JNI finds the source files.
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[2:18] <agronholm> fwierzbicki: the regressions I was referring to seemed to be present in 2.5.2 too so I can't point to any post-2.5.2 regressions
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[3:11] <fwierzbicki> agronholm: still which regressions? It would be good to get them fixed for 2.5.4 - was it a regression from 2.2.x or 2.5.x?
[3:21] <agronholm> 2.5.x
[3:23] <agronholm> fwierzbicki: this at least comes to mind: http://bugs.jython.org/issue1957
[3:24] <agronholm> and this: http://bugs.jython.org/issue1676
[3:24] <fwierzbicki> yuck - I wonder if that's around the time we switched the default to JLine
[3:25] <fwierzbicki> 1676 is one that I plan to get right away for 2.5.4
[3:25] <agronholm> were there any changes from 2.5.3rc1?
[3:25] <agronholm> for 2.5.3
[3:25] <fwierzbicki> BTW 2.5.3 is released http://fwierzbicki.blogspot.com/2012/08/jython-253-final-released.html
[3:25] <fwierzbicki> nope no changes
[3:25] <agronholm> yup I saw the tweet, nice
[3:25] <fwierzbicki> except a NEWS entry I missed
[3:26] <fwierzbicki> It's *so* overdue I didn't want to wait, there's always another bug - none of them are of the baby eating kind IMO
[3:29] <agronholm> perhaps an announcement in the topic is in order
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[3:37] <fwierzbicki> Oh yeah - that's a good idea
[3:41] * fwierzbicki changes topic to 'Try Jython 2.5.3 final at http://bit.ly/MVOQsU or for more bleeding edge Jython 2.7a1 at http://tinyurl.com/jython270a1 | This channel is logged: http://jython.extreme.st/irclogs/ | Please update the wiki: http://wiki.python.org/jython | Jython Book: http://jythonbook.com | Podcast: http://www.jythonpodcast.com'
[3:46] <Arfrever> It would be nice to have a CIA-${number} bot here.
[3:50] <juneau001> nice work on 2.5.3
[3:50] <juneau001> site upated
[3:50] <juneau001> updated
[3:50] <juneau001> :)
[4:02] <fwierzbicki> Thanks juneau001 !
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[4:16] <juneau001> fwierzbicki I changed the downloads page a bit so that it directs to the maven central repository site, rather than a direct JAR???also added 2.7a2 to the downloads page
[4:17] <juneau001> i think it is cleaner now, but if you'd rather have the direct JAR download then let me know
[4:17] <fwierzbicki> juneau001: awesome, that sounds like the right thing to do. Now that we're avoiding the ads at source forge
[4:19] <juneau001> cool, now I need to work on a Django-Jython 1.4 beta???glad things are moving along
[4:20] <juneau001> excellent work
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[5:02] <Arfrever> fwierzbicki: It seems that freenode reverted your change in topic of this channel.
[5:03] <fwierzbicki> oh weird
[5:03] <fwierzbicki> Eh - I'll try again tomorrow morning :)
[5:04] <fwierzbicki> the announcements are out in enough places - I'd be more bothered if this where the 2.7 final announcement
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[5:27] <agronholm> try /msg chanserv topic #jython <topic>
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[9:17] <Hukka> The documentation is a bit old now, so I'd like to know whether it's possible to compile python code to bytecode with jython so that it runs on any JVM, without extra jython stuff installed?
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[11:55] <agronholm> Hukka: it is not
[11:56] <agronholm> that's like asking if it's possible to run .pyc files without python
[11:57] <agronholm> even if you have the VM the bytecodes were written for, where would all the types and standard library stuff come from?
[12:03] <Hukka> Well, I wasn't planning on using much of the standard library, and was thinking that types are compiled into Java types
[12:04] <Hukka> Well then, what would the minimal set be? I'm trying to figure out if it would be feasible to run Python code via Jython on Lego Mindstorms NXT
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[13:38] <juneau001> agronholm: Updating Jython monthly???is the latest Jython-Swingutils v 1.0.2? Thanks
[15:28] <agronholm> juneau001: yes, no new versions are out
[15:28] <juneau001> agronholm: thanks, sounds good
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[16:17] <agronholm> fwierzbicki_: can you enlighten me on why the jython installer asks about the location of the java home directory?
[16:18] <fwierzbicki_> The installer predates my involvement :) -- Otmar is the real expert there. I imagine it's so people who don't want it to go in the default location can change it
[16:19] <fwierzbicki_> or as a warning that it is about to write to that spot
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[16:19] <agronholm> people who don't want what to do to the default location?
[16:19] <agronholm> s/do/go/
[16:19] <agronholm> since when does the installer write to the java home directory?
[16:20] <fwierzbicki> oh sorry I misread
[16:21] <agronholm> I thought this was so that the startup script knows how to launch Java even when it's not on PATH and JAVA_HOME is not set
[16:21] <agronholm> but apparently I was mistaken
[16:21] <fwierzbicki> In that case I suppose someone could point it to a different one - the installer is extremely old - maybe on windows 3 it needed to be told
[16:21] <agronholm> I just installed 2.5.3 on Windows, and jython.bat does not work unless JAVA_HOME is set
[16:22] <fwierzbicki> Ah I see - I had thought that the installer did some rewriting - but maybe it isn't as good on Windows
[16:22] <fwierzbicki> rewriting of the startup scripts that is
[16:23] <fwierzbicki> I did touch the installer several years ago - I know that the .bat support is not as good
[16:24] <agronholm> the path I gave the installer is not found at all in jython.bat
[16:25] <agronholm> it's not in "registry" either
[16:25] <fwierzbicki> I see a generated JYTHON_HOME where I installed the last Jython - does the .bat file have one defined?
[16:26] <fwierzbicki> Or maybe the installer is goofed up - I have never tried to specify a JAVA_HOME in there
[16:26] <agronholm> ah, the jython.bat in the top directory does have that
[16:26] <agronholm> not the one in bin\
[16:26] <fwierzbicki> oh I see hmmm - maybe that's a bug
[16:27] <agronholm> I don't know why there are 2 .bat files
[16:27] <fwierzbicki> I wonder why we drop a runner in 2 places
[16:27] <agronholm> who would know?
[16:27] <fwierzbicki> yeah we do that on unix too - seems like a source of confusion
[16:27] <fwierzbicki> Oti
[16:28] <fwierzbicki> He is here sometimes - I think as ohumbal
[16:29] <fwierzbicki> It's worth a bug report - 2 bat files seems wrong
[16:29] <fwierzbicki> Especially 2 different ones where one may not work
[16:35] <agronholm> hm, pip does not install
[16:40] <agronholm> fwierzbicki: mind adding the 2.5.3 version to the bug tracker?
[16:41] <agronholm> did we have plans on migrating to a better bug tracker btw?
[16:42] <fwierzbicki> agronholm: something is wrong with the tracker such that I can't -- I'm not sure what the problem is (I get an error) -- I'm starting to seriously consider moving. Maybe to whatever bitbucket provides
[16:42] <agronholm> umm, no
[16:42] <agronholm> bitbucket's is even worse
[16:42] <fwierzbicki> ha
[16:42] <agronholm> you can't disallow anonymous issue reporting for one
[16:42] <agronholm> or anonymous commenting
[16:42] <agronholm> I'm considering moving my own issue trackers away from bitbucket
[16:42] <agronholm> but I don't know what other hosted issue trackers there are
[16:43] <fwierzbicki> ok - well I have to admit I'm not motivated to move and admin a bug tracker - I'm able to creep along with the python.org one even if it's not what I would hope for
[16:43] <agronholm> JIRA would be pretty nifty :)
[16:43] <agronholm> but a hosted solution would be preferable
[16:44] <pjenvey> our roundup doesn't allow anonymous issues/comments, does it?
[16:44] <agronholm> I don't think so
[16:44] <fwierzbicki> pjenvey: I don't know - I don't think so
[16:44] <pjenvey> i actually don't like allowing them, when someone logs an issue I sometimes want a chance to respond to them
[16:45] <fwierzbicki> yeah - it seems a low enough barrier
[16:45] <fwierzbicki> also it's a first guard against spam - which could get horrible in an anonymous situation
[16:45] <fwierzbicki> I long gave up on moderating our emails
[16:45] <fwierzbicki> *long ago
[16:46] <fwierzbicki> I'd have no choice but to keep up for the tracker
[16:46] <fwierzbicki> we'd end up needing a capcha which is possibly even more onerous
[16:47] <agronholm> lately when forced to deal with recaptcha, I usually need to refresh 5-7 times before I get one that is human readably (and barely even then)
[16:47] <agronholm> *readable
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[16:52] <fwierzbicki> yeah - it sucks as a human to fail a turing test :)
[17:00] <agronholm> jython under windows is starting to look less and less useful :P
[17:01] <agronholm> now that I managed to finally install pip (using the sources directly instead of get-pip.py), I find that script files don't get any useful extensions and are therefore useless on Windows
[17:01] <agronholm> this is not jython's fault of course
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[17:22] <fwierzbicki> ack - yeah windows is a pain. I've been meaning to get the regression working there but it's hard to avoid procrastinating when I know it's going to suck
[17:24] <agronholm> what were you planning to do?
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[18:15] <fwierzbicki> agronholm: the guy working on bytearray works on Windows and can't get the regression to run well. I was going to investigate that
[18:39] <pjenvey> does it die or something? or just failing all over
[18:39] <pjenvey> it should be in a somewhat reasonable state on 2.5
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[20:53] <agronholm> fwierzbicki: which regression are you referring to?
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[21:04] <fwierzbicki> agronholm: I mean "ant regrtest"
[21:05] <fwierzbicki> so the test suite
[21:05] <fwierzbicki> not sure which parts are not working well - for some reason I've had trouble getting mercurial to work on my windows vm
[21:05] <fwierzbicki> and haven't found the motivation to figure that out
[21:07] <fwierzbicki> pjenvey: Jeff Allen complains of it hanging in various places
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