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[16:13] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: hey - it looks like I'm going to need to move our itertools implementation to the new style - at least one of the functions (count) is more like a class in 2.7
[16:14] <fwierzbicki> I saw you corrected my last update of count - hopefully you won't mind having a look at what I do for this
[16:24] <fwierzbicki> oops I meant chain has class behavior
[16:38] <fwierzbicki> Any Jython devs know how gamma/lgamma work? Miki Tebeka is working on our math updates for 2.7 and has a bug but isn't very familiar with these math functions and wanted me to check if there where any computational math types here that could have a look
[17:30] <jimbaker> fwierzbicki, i could take a look at gamma. probably just best to use something like http://commons.apache.org/math/apidocs/org/apache/commons/math/special/Gamma.html
[17:30] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: Miki is using go's implementation as a guide - he has a cut at it but it has a tricky bug apparently
[17:31] <fwierzbicki> ah he looked at commons - I suggested that if math could be done more directly it would be nice to avoid another dependency
[17:31] <jimbaker> right, that's why you want a good impl :)
[17:32] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: the go translates very cleanly -- it's nice in that it looks like C without the noise
[17:32] <jimbaker> i suspect we can just grab the source in this case
[17:32] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: sure - that's another possibility - in one case he found that commons did not do as well as cpython and he still needed to do some by hand stuff ( I think it was our erf)
[17:32] <jimbaker> that's what i have heard (more so than most, i expect, given the team i'm on)
[17:33] <fwierzbicki> sure :)
[17:33] <jimbaker> fwierzbicki, commons has a bad reputation for sure of almost there impls
[17:33] <jimbaker> but i don't think it's across the board either
[17:34] <jimbaker> re itertools.chain, yes, that's one reason i didn't implement it
[17:34] <jimbaker> we should just simply expose it, along with math and builtins
[17:35] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: that is my plan - I've moved itertools to its own directory and I'll do the expose style
[17:35] <jimbaker> what shashank and i are looking at it is good, but it would require indy to get the desired perf
[17:35] <fwierzbicki> the nice thing is "hg move" keeps the annotations correct
[17:35] <fwierzbicki> jimbaker: sure - some benchmarks I saw for JRuby recently indicate that indy is getting much faster
[17:36] <jimbaker> right, indy is definitely getting there, esp with respect to switchpoints
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[18:44] <DanC_> the project I'm working on has one connection to MS SQLServer... and Pydev is pretty cool... I put my toe in the jython water to use sqljdbc.jar, and now I'm being sucked into the gravity of maven
[18:45] <DanC_> I'd like to just use eclipse, ant, and ivy, but I can't convince ivy not to download a .jar file that I already put in the ivy cache
[18:46] <DanC_> (I can't get IvyDE, the Eclipse/Ivy integration, to do much of anything, but I can live without that.0
[18:46] <DanC_> )
[18:46] <DanC_> any/many eclipse/ivy users about?
[19:13] <DanC_> oh... silly me... thought ivy cache was the same as mvn repository
[19:15] <DanC_> I think I'll just punt on automated dependency management. Not critical path to my goal.
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[21:03] <DanC_> gee... did I scare everybody away?
[21:03] <fwierzbicki> cool - "hg copy" is a nice way to extract code into a new file but keep the annotations.
[21:03] <DanC_> now I've got my jython thingy mostly deployed, but I seem to be missing the python standard library
[21:04] <DanC_> ImportError: No module named logging
[21:04] <fwierzbicki> DanC_: reading back - it can get a little slow here sometimes
[21:04] <DanC_> sure
[21:04] <agronholm> DanC_: are you sure you are using the standalone jar?
[21:04] <agronholm> and not just jython.jar from the standard installation?
[21:04] <DanC_> no
[21:05] <agronholm> the normal jython.jar does not contain the standard library
[21:05] <fwierzbicki> DanC_: yeah standalone contains the LIb/
[21:06] * DanC_ investigates getting standalone via the maven repository world... discovers a disconnect
[21:06] <DanC_> no matter...
[21:07] <agronholm> fwierzbicki: I guess there's still no updated jython in maven? or?
[21:08] <DanC_> http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|org.python|jython|2.5.0|jar doesn't... oh... maybe it does.
[21:08] <DanC_> I thought it didn't offer a jar
[21:08] <DanC_> it's just a few revs old
[21:08] <DanC_> anyway... I'm using 2.5.3b1
[21:08] <agronholm> that's a huge difference
[21:08] <agronholm> a zillion nasty bugs fixed between that and 2.5.2
[21:09] <DanC_> not to mention 2.5.0
[21:09] * DanC_ hunts for standalone in his 2.5.3b1 install...
[21:09] <agronholm> I meant 2.5.0
[21:09] <agronholm> doesn't 2.5.3b1 suffer from that nasty import bug?
[21:10] * DanC_ comes up empty
[21:10] <DanC_> where is this standalone you speak of?
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[21:11] <agronholm> try the installer
[21:11] <agronholm> you have an option for creating a standalone jar
[21:12] * DanC_ finds http://wiki.python.org/jython/InstallationInstructions#standalone-mode
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[21:15] <DanC_> ok. that seems to work.
[21:15] <fwierzbicki> agronholm: no - I was planning to do that on 2.5.3 final
[21:15] <agronholm> ok
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[21:42] <DanC_> is there a nice message passing concurrency idiom/library in jython?
[21:43] <agronholm> zeromq?
[21:43] <agronholm> or am I totally off base
[21:43] <agronholm> not sure what you mean by that
[21:43] <DanC_> I've got a little script that bulk copies data from sqlserver to oracle
[21:44] <DanC_> right now, it reads a chunk of rows, then writes the chunk... wash, rinse, repeat.
[21:44] <DanC_> It occurs to me that it could be reading and writing at the same time.
[21:44] <agronholm> from Queue import Queue
[21:44] <DanC_> maybe "message passing" is overkill... right... Queue.
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