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[2:28] <pjenvey> jimbaker - i think there's still some adict[id(foo)] in copy_reg
[2:28] <pjenvey> fwierzbicki - I thought the hashes worked on roundup but I'm probably remembering wrong, you could ping the orundup admins to make that work, because it works on cpython
[2:29] <pjenvey> also you want to reference the hash ids, the numeric numbers are nonsense when used publically, people can have all kinds of different ordering in their repos
[2:29] <fwierzbicki> pjenvey: heh for us *I* may be the roundup admins :)
[2:29] <fwierzbicki> but yeah I should ask
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[5:21] <fwierzbicki> oh drat I see - I should always be using the hash ids for hg - of course
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[10:01] <seletz> moin guys
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[10:34] <Katharsis> fwierzbicki: jythonc compiler is available from the Jython 2.5.2?
[10:53] <agronholm> no
[10:53] <agronholm> and never will be
[10:53] <agronholm> jythonc is dead
[10:54] <agronholm> Katharsis: ^
[10:55] <Katharsis> What's about clamp?
[10:56] <agronholm> that will not materialize, at least in its present form
[10:56] <agronholm> but something like that will be made available at some point in the future
[10:56] <agronholm> but not before the 2.7 release
[10:57] <Katharsis> so, if I want to use jythonc I've to work with Jython 2.2 right?
[10:57] <agronholm> yes...but may I ask what exactly you need it for?
[11:01] <Katharsis> I'd like to transforms Python source code into Java *.class files.
[11:02] <agronholm> and what do you intend to do with those .class files?
[11:03] <agronholm> you don't need jythonc to produce .class files per se
[11:03] <agronholm> but the .class files produced by jython are pretty much useless to "native" java apps
[11:04] <agronholm> jythonc was made to convert python code to java code, but that became impossible with the introduction of generators to the language
[11:05] <agronholm> we currently lack an alternate solution for exposing java compatible classes and interfaces
[11:06] <agronholm> but we intend to provide one later
[11:06] <agronholm> 2.7 takes priority now though
[11:06] <agronholm> after 2.7 I'm not sure what's next
[11:06] <agronholm> perhaps 3.x or a new clamp
[11:07] <Katharsis> I wrote a tool which builds single executable file from single executable jar file. It works quite good, but will be better for me to got Java class files.
[11:07] <Katharsis> agronholm: ok, thx for info
[11:08] <agronholm> Katharsis: if you just need the .pyc equivalents in jython, you can do "jython -m compileall ." in a source directory
[11:08] <agronholm> there's even an ant task for that
[11:09] <agronholm> I do that as a regular part of my build process
[11:09] <agronholm> in my own project
[11:09] <agronholm> it significantly cuts the loading time of the app
[11:47] <seletz> agronholm, Katharsis: just overheard your conversation about the jythonc.
[11:47] <seletz> agronholm: why is it that .class files are not usable? I bundle them in a jar file to be deployed at the customer's site -- and haven't had problems so far.
[11:48] <agronholm> seletz: as I just said, so do I
[11:48] <agronholm> but it's pretty much un-introspectable from java apps
[11:48] <seletz> hmm -- I thought you'd be talking about .pyc files
[11:49] <agronholm> what I meant is that the .class files generated by jython are pretty much the same as .pyc files on cpython
[11:49] <seletz> ah
[11:52] <seletz> agronholm: man. That actually works.
[11:52] <seletz> thanks :)
[11:53] <agronholm> but not having any replacement for jythonc's functionality is a big problem
[11:53] * seletz uses the ant task to compile stuff
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[11:53] <agronholm> as do I
[11:54] <seletz> agronholm: Sorry for being stupid -- but what's missing in functionality?
[11:54] <agronholm> seletz: have you ever tried to make an applet with jython 2.5?
[11:54] <seletz> no
[11:54] <agronholm> you cannot generate java compatible entry points with 2.5
[11:54] <seletz> agronholm: I'm on the backend side
[11:54] <agronholm> you have to write them in actual java
[11:55] <seletz> OK -- Is this why I haven't been able to get the python classes imported in java?
[11:56] <seletz> sorry but I'm very much java agnostic ...
[11:56] <agronholm> yes.
[11:58] <seletz> ok -- now I see. So much hackery could go away in my code if that would work. I guess even modjy could go away ...
[11:59] <seletz> btw, any of you guys going to europython?
[11:59] <agronholm> not me
[12:00] <agronholm> I just came back from Pycon US last weekend
[12:02] <agronholm> seletz: in fact, I'm not aware of any other european core jython dev besides myself
[12:02] <agronholm> -s
[12:02] <seletz> __ugh__
[12:03] <agronholm> ?
[12:03] * seletz hoped to have some jython guys luring around at the europython
[12:03] <agronholm> sorry
[12:04] <seletz> you know -- I depend quite heavily on jython. So much, in fact, that I started to search for alternatives -- but luckily 2.7 seems to be underway now.
[12:05] <agronholm> there's plenty of work to be done still
[12:05] <agronholm> fortunately things will get easier when we move to 3.x
[12:05] <seletz> Yes, sure. But there is work done.
[12:07] <seletz> why does it get easier with 3.x=
[12:08] <agronholm> because then we won't have to have jython specific versions of so many stdlib modules
[12:08] <agronholm> and the bytes/string separation matches that of java so less hacks will be necessary
[12:12] <seletz> ok
[12:12] <agronholm> s/less/fewer/
[12:13] <agronholm> and plenty of old code can be dropped (old-style class support comes to mind)
[12:13] <agronholm> which all translates into smaller maintenance burden
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[13:34] <slestak_work> is akennedy in the house?
[13:34] <slestak_work> (i know the nick is not :) )
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[16:41] <jimbaker> pjenvey, i will take a look at copy re id dict. btw, when the memoryview/bytearray stuff is complete, that will be a good option for struct pack/unpack
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[23:46] <fwierzbicki> man it's hard to not try to fix tests -- but I have to be strong and just comment them out :)
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