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[2:37] <fwierzbicki> pjenvey: thanks for going through all of that crazy mess to get the hgsubversion thing to work
[4:53] <pjenvey> fwierzbicki - good idea bringing that up on pypy
[4:53] <pjenvey> pypy-dev
[4:54] <pjenvey> been thinking about that a lot, you and I even talked a lil bit about that at pycon
[4:56] <pjenvey> thinking about it a lot too in regard to jython3, where we are going to break a lot of things, in doing that we can think about things that may help eventual convergence
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[11:44] <mwizard> hello guys again!
[11:44] <mwizard> anybody knows how to boot jython2.5 under jython2.1 without breaking parser?
[11:44] <mwizard> i mean inplace loading
[11:45] <mwizard> e.g. I have a script which has, for example, decorators. Decorators are considered invalid under 2.1, so parser will die without allowing me to do black magics
[11:45] <mwizard> can I stop or alter parsing somehow at some point?
[11:51] * mwizard waiting for "YOU MAD" comment
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[12:39] <agronholm> YOU MAD
[12:39] <agronholm> I very much doubt it can be done
[12:40] <agronholm> and doing that in production would be insanity
[12:41] <agronholm> and java does not have an equivalent to __new__
[12:42] <agronholm> that's why JavaBeans need to have a public no-args constructor available
[12:46] <mwizard> eh
[12:47] <mwizard> in that case that MUST be done :D
[12:47] <mwizard> regarding production - writing for 2.1 is pure pain
[12:47] <mwizard> no new-styles, no bool, no dict, no instanceable types
[12:47] <mwizard> no iterators, no generators
[12:47] <mwizard> no sets!
[12:48] <mwizard> so it's reasonable to at least try to do this kind of magics
[12:49] <mwizard> other way I've told here yesterday is to port most used 2.7 features into 2.1, that at least guaranteed to work
[12:49] <mwizard> *least is
[12:49] <agronholm> why not use at least 2.2 then?
[12:50] <mwizard> project requirement. jython can be required with service pack only, because it's out of our team scope
[12:50] <mwizard> and service pack is planned to release in 2-3 years
[12:51] <mwizard> s/required/updated/
[12:56] <mwizard> I know that python interpreter is subclassed, so I can try to break out Jython using java reflection...
[12:57] <mwizard> ...and try to change base class for instance on the fly
[12:57] <mwizard> and look what will happen
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[17:23] <Oti> http://bob.underboss.org:8080/job/jython/1496/console has a verify error at the start of the regr tests
[17:23] <Oti> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.VerifyError: (class: org/python/core/PySet, method: <init> signature: (Lorg/python/core/PyObject;)V) Illegal target of jump or branch
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[17:23] <Oti> can the math module update be the cause of this?
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[18:08] <pjenvey> Oti - yea it could be, since you changed the compiler
[18:09] <pjenvey> the bytecode magic wasn't bumped, but I don't think that would cause that on the buildbot either because it always does a clean first
[18:09] <pjenvey> i'll see if i can reproduce it
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[18:14] <pjenvey> I sure don't see it happen on osx
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[18:20] <pjenvey> I couldn't reproduce it on there and then hudson just crashed. it's probably just a fluke
[18:22] <pjenvey> I need to get a better machine for jenkins
[18:23] <pjenvey> (and really, more machines for jenkins slaves, but one step at a time)
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[19:31] <Oti> pjenvey - thanks for looking into this!
[19:33] <Oti> i added a private static final constant in Module.java, and changed the implementation of the equals() method of PyFloatConstant
[19:34] <Oti> i was pretty sure this is safe, but - to be honest - only tested on OS X (running Java 6)
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[19:34] <Oti> i'll try to reproduce this on windows and ubuntu as well
[19:38] <Oti> by the way: reinhapa offered to lend us some jenkins slaves (Fedora as main machine, and maybe some VirtualBoxes)
[19:40] <Oti> we agreed on trying to set things up when the hg move is over - no promises, though :-)
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[20:00] <pjenvey> Oti - that would be great
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[20:26] <schlitzer> hey
[20:26] <pjenvey> hi
[20:28] <schlitzer> i?m just playing around with the jython interpreter, and i was asking myself if is there a jython way of creating a daemon? the double fork magic is not working because of the os.fork is not implemented. so this code snipped is not working -> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/278731-creating-a-daemon-the-python-way/
[20:29] <pjenvey> schlitzer - right, we can't support that because of fork. I'd recommend this: http://commons.apache.org/daemon/
[20:30] <pjenvey> although I've never used it
[20:30] <schlitzer> okay, thank you, i will take a look
[21:02] <xmikedavis> anyone here using IPython with Jython 2.5.2?
[21:05] <xmikedavis> mostly seems to work, but there's some quirks I'm trying to work out.. non-ascii characters showing up, etc
[21:11] <xmikedavis> aha. needed to launch with -colors NoColor
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[21:45] <pjenvey> xmikedavis - AFAIK the support in 2.5.2 helps out a lot but ipython still needs some patch applied
[21:45] <pjenvey> http://bugs.jython.org/issue1133
[21:46] <pjenvey> it's on there, we really need someone to make sure it's ready and submit it to the ipython guys
[21:46] <pjenvey> maybe it doesn't totally require that patch to work but it should help
[21:49] <xmikedavis> pjenvey, nice. I've got it mostly working, but seeing everyone else's work on this is great
[21:50] <xmikedavis> now to raise the ticket's pagerank for "ipython jython"
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[21:51] <pjenvey> xmikedavis - cool. taking care of the rest, that patch, and getting it applied, should be really straightforward
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[21:53] <pjenvey> there's also an older patch linked on there from Chris McClimans, I wonder if any of that needs to be integrated too
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[21:55] <xmikedavis> pjenvey - yeah. it's hard to say what's strictly necessary in Chris' patch
[21:58] <pjenvey> I don't know if ipython has good test coverage, if it does that would help
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[23:36] <juneau001> Planning to deploy a Jython Monthly app for the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch within the next few days. Just put it together quickly, but it makes it easy to get to docs, the book, and the podcast.
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