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[0:45] <densone> Have a question for jython thats included inside of grinder. Trying to "import re" and am getting an error. Wondering if someone can point me in the wrong direction.
[0:46] <densone> http://pastie.org/1501025 Heres the error
[0:48] <densone> It's obviously not finding re, so I am wondering Is there a path I can update?
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[7:50] <pjenvey> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2011-January/107641.html
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[8:17] <ohumbel> pjenvey - am i right that PEP 393 is pretty much the java way?
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[17:48] <shodan45> how much overhead does jython have over java?
[17:49] <agronholm> a lot
[17:49] <shodan45> specifically, ram & class file size
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[17:50] <jbaker__> shodan45: substantial, as agronholm mentions - performance, class file size. you can minimize ram if you use java objects instead of python objects
[17:50] <jbaker__> shanka and i are working on minimizing some of this
[17:50] <jbaker__> but that's a future release
[17:51] <shodan45> hmm... I'm primarily a python (and php... >_>) programmer, and trying to customize an applet
[17:51] <shodan45> haven't been this frustrated while coding in years
[17:51] <jbaker__> shodan45: i don't think we really support applets right now... there are some workarounds, but pretty severe
[17:52] * shodan45 sighs
[17:54] <jbaker__> if you compare jython and cpython, they are pretty close. and often the reality of how people program java means that the overhead is often about the same
[17:54] <shodan45> I really miss having an interactive interpreter
[17:54] <shodan45> jbaker__: hehe
[17:54] <shodan45> and duck typing too
[17:54] <jbaker__> shodan45: agreed on all those points
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[17:55] <shodan45> and I never knew java's standard lib was so... small
[17:55] <jbaker__> shodan45: :)
[17:56] <agronholm> shodan45: it's more consistent than that of Python, not to mention PHP
[17:56] <shodan45> agronholm: the standard lib?
[17:56] <agronholm> yes
[17:56] <agronholm> java has less random helper functions
[17:57] <shodan45> agree 1000% on php...
[17:57] <shodan45> I needed a base64 encode function... had to get it from apache commons lib
[17:57] <agronholm> python too has some arbitrary crap in its stdlib, but nowhere near that of PHP's
[17:57] * shodan45 has a very low opinion of php
[17:58] <shodan45> I only use it to pay bills :/
[17:58] <agronholm> the only people who don't are those who don't know any better :)
[17:58] <agronholm> yeah me too
[17:58] <agronholm> fortunately I steered my current big PHP project towards the direction of AJAX
[17:58] <agronholm> so I find myself writing more javascript than PHP :)
[17:59] <shodan45> agronholm: I also found out that javascript doesn't have a base64 encode function either ;p
[17:59] <shodan45> at least a standard one
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