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[6:29] <jbaker_> just committed r7112, hopefully this addresses http://bugs.jython.org/issue1327
[6:31] <jbaker_> not too hopeful, i must say - this bug has been difficult to work with. so if anyone here has ideas, definitely would appreciate them!
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[9:17] <Oti> pjenvey - on http://hudson.361315.n4.nabble.com/Set-my-build-number-td375043.html there is a description how to set the build number
[9:17] <Oti> maybe this would be worth trying?
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[13:34] <tef> Hi, I have a plugin with jython as a dependency -- I can load the interpreter just fine and run python scripts, but I can't seem to import csv from the standard library. I have got the standalone jar, and inspection reveals the Lib/* directory is included
[13:40] <tef> I'm getting a pastebin of a small example but it seems to work from the command line but not within a swt app
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[14:17] <Oti> tef - plugin == eclipse plugin?
[14:17] <tef> yes
[14:18] <tef> ['Lib/', '/Work/workspace/com.fooo.jython/build/lib/Lib', '/Work/workspace/com.foooo.jython/build/lib/jython.jar/Lib', '__classpath__', '__pyclasspath__/'] is sys.path normally, and ['Lib/', '__classpath__', '__pyclasspath__/'] is the result within eclipse app
[14:18] <Oti> hm probably osgi classloading problem - let me search for a few minutes, i saw a workaround one day
[14:18] <tef> Yeah I thought it might be that, so looking at
[14:19] <tef> http://osdir.com/ml/lang.jython.user/2005-02/msg00065.html
[14:19] <tef> I wrapped the creation of the python interpreter in a loader singleton, and then change the classloaded
[14:19] <tef> Py.getSystemState().setClassLoader(new JythonClassLoader(getClass().getClassLoader()));
[14:19] <tef> (I found that just now after asking earlier)
[14:19] <tef> but to no avail
[14:21] <tef> I found this, that suggests using JSR223 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1765802/using-jython-from-eclipse-plugin
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[14:23] <tef> oh am I going to have to write an activator to get the bundle loader oh joy
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[14:36] <Oti> tef - can you make sense of this: http://pylonshq.com/pasties/b6c39cea561a37e85bf593871f796a42 ? it is code from a bundle which uses the standalone jython.jar
[14:36] <tef> I can give it ago
[14:36] <Oti> (i just copied it - i have no experience writing eclipse plugins)
[14:36] <tef> that's a different osgi framrwork
[14:37] <tef> I think
[14:37] <tef> but yeah, I'm going to try and get the proper osgi classloader
[14:37] <tef> found this too http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.jython.devel/month=20071001
[14:37] <tef> but thanks :D
[14:38] <tef> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.jython.devel/3934
[14:38] <tef> aha
[14:39] <Oti> good luck!
[14:42] <tef> thanks
[14:46] <tef> aah I'm going to have to expose it as a service, joy.
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[15:12] <tef> allllmooost
[15:12] <tef> Oti: yeah a custom classloader seems like the right thing
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[16:17] <tef> Oti: I think I have the root of the problem
[16:22] <Oti> tef: yes, and a solution?
[16:22] <tef> almost
[16:23] <tef> well the problem is osgi classloaders, and some built in magic
[16:24] <tef> so a sort of hack wherein I write a custom classloader and shim it in
[16:24] <tef> it doesn't look anywhere but the root of packages by default it seems.
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[16:25] <tef> and in when I run it in java, it knows where the jar is and can add it to the path
[16:26] <Oti> you mean the standalone detection?
[16:26] <Oti> (it finds out where jython.jar is, and adds it's /Lib folder to sys.path if present)
[16:30] <tef> AHAHA I HAVE DEFEATED IT
[16:31] <tef> the osgi loader won't look inside jars, so I have to, uh, add the lib folder to the enclosing plugin, and uh, put in a shim classloader that delegates to bundle.* and adds some paths to things
[16:39] <tef> http://pastie.org/1146174 <- for the curious
[16:39] <tef> tbh, it would be easier if jython could install as an osgi plugin :3
[16:49] <tef> Oti: thanks :D
[16:49] <Oti> you're welcome!
[16:51] <Oti> please let me know if you have an idea how we could improve this
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[17:01] <tef> well, the easiest thing would be an option in the installer to package a standalone osgi jar. inside the osgi jar you can export services like something to create an interpreter, or alternatively, create an activator that sets the default classloader to a special one, that looks inside the bundle's classloader, using known directory prefixes
[17:02] <tef> maybe in retrospective I should have used jydt
[17:04] <tef> it might take some thought on how to load bundles or somesuch or how to put bundles on the path
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[17:48] <headius> jruby uses bnd on its release jar...not sure if that's all that would be required for jython or not
[17:48] <headius> I don't think we're explicitly exporting any services
[17:49] <jimbaker> headius: we should at your osgi support
[17:49] <jimbaker> should look
[17:50] <headius> it's pretty minimal...none of us really know OSGi, but the GF guys needed us to do some stuff for them to ship JRuby support
[17:50] <headius> I'd love to do more, but since there's whole *tracks* devoted to OSGi I don't think I have time to learn it
[17:50] <jimbaker> right, i understand that!
[17:51] <jimbaker> our jsr223 support started with the work that jim white did for groovy, as i recall
[17:51] <headius> you guys ship your own 223 impl?
[17:51] <jimbaker> yes, it works well
[17:52] <headius> we do too, thanks to a herculean effort by yoko harada to implement a totally new embedding framework
[17:52] <headius> the default one Sun wrote was shit
[17:52] <jimbaker> sabi has been main person on this on our side
[17:52] <headius> though in their defense they didn't really understand jruby
[17:52] <jimbaker> pretty much was the same with the same for the one written for jython 2.1 - i don't think we reused any of it
[17:53] <jimbaker> i do know that jbrendel has been using quite successfully for a mule plugin he has been working on
[17:53] <jimbaker> this new jsr223 support that is
[17:53] <jimbaker> and we have gotten lots of useful bug reports that we have been using to tweak our support
[17:54] <jimbaker> pr3d4t0r: do you use the jsr223 stuff as well?
[17:55] <jimbaker> tef: nice looking paste. would it be possible for you to work with us to determine what our osgi support should be?
[17:56] <jimbaker> basically if we had a solid set of test cases, we could add to that to our test suite
[17:56] <jimbaker> and do TDD against it
[17:57] <headius> and I'd love to hear what those cases are too
[17:57] <tef> jimbaker: I'm interested, but I'm running off just now. I'll come back to you later on
[17:57] <jimbaker> tef: sounds good
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[19:27] <pjenvey> Oti - oh and btw, I reset the build number and I think it's back to normal now. thanks
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[21:09] <juneau001> Moving the jython podcast site to jython.org now. I will make an announcement once complete.
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[21:30] <Oti> pjenvey - thanks!
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[21:31] <juneau001> jython podcast site should now be completely migrated over to jython.org. Using a redirect from jythonpodcast.hostjava.net for the time being.
[21:32] <jimbaker> juneau001: good to hear!
[21:33] <jimbaker> (and sorry about the inadvertent punning ;) )
[21:33] <juneau001> jimbaker: thanks, next will be the book site
[21:33] <juneau001> :) I like the pun
[21:33] <Oti> juneau001: and it works from iTunes: the ATTN sign is away
[21:34] <juneau001> oti: great to hear!
[21:38] <jimbaker> juneau001: please put a link to both the book and the podcast from the jython.org home page
[21:39] <juneau001> jimbaker: podcast link is at the bottom...I'll update it and make it a direct link
[21:40] <juneau001> jimbaker: I will add a direct link to the book on the jython.org homepage...good idea
[21:40] <jimbaker> thanks. we want to make this content as visible as possible to our jython users
[21:40] <jimbaker> and potential users too
[21:42] <juneau001> I definitely agree. Will try to update the site tonight/tomorrow morning
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[22:00] <pjenvey> jython podcast FTW
[22:11] <Oti> running the installation tests on different platforms - looks good so far
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[23:30] <Oti> platforms are fine, but it is too dangerous for me to do commits (01:30 am) - good night
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