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[2:52] <jbrendel> Hello!
[2:53] <jbrendel> When I look at a Java object, can I somehow find out from Jython which interfaces it implements?
[2:54] <jbrendel> type(x) only gives me the actual type that was specified when the object was created. And with __bases__ I can find the superclasses of a class. But what about its interfaces? Is that information lost?
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[3:12] <ropoctl_> how do i import org.python etc, what files do i need to get
[3:12] <ropoctl_> writing a java extension
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[3:32] <jimbaker> jbrendel: >>> from java.util import ArrayList; x = ArrayList([1,2,3]); x.class.interfaces
[3:32] <jimbaker> array(java.lang.Class, [<type 'java.util.List'>, <type 'java.util.RandomAccess'>, <type 'java.lang.Cloneable'>, <type 'java.io.Serializable'>])
[3:34] <jimbaker> or just interrogate the type itself; you can also do ArrayList.interfaces - and so forth, you can just look at these types as normal java classes
[3:34] <jimbaker> (of course i'm using the fact here that jython allows me to access java by-convention getters/setters as if they are python properties)
[3:36] <jimbaker> ropoctl_: you just need to import the minimum # of classes that allow you to construct the class in question, or check for an exception. there's nothing from org.python itself you need unless you're having python code use the jython internals for some interesting purpose
[3:36] <jimbaker> which is fun, and perhaps dangerous too :)
[3:37] <ropoctl_> specifically im trying to import org.python.core.PyList
[3:37] <ropoctl_> and its not finding it
[3:38] <ropoctl_> package org.python.core does not exist
[3:38] <ropoctl_> import org.python.core.PyList;
[3:38] <jimbaker> ahhh, you won't be able to import that per se in a meaningful way
[3:38] <jimbaker> it's called list
[3:38] <ropoctl_> i havent gotten it to import anything, is there some special thing i have to do when i run javac?
[3:39] <jimbaker> you've already have it imported in the builtin namespace under that name
[3:39] <jimbaker> javac is dead
[3:39] <jimbaker> oh, sorry, i thought we were talking about jythonc ;)
[3:39] <ropoctl_> im trying to compile a java extension for jython
[3:39] <jimbaker> (comes up way too often!)
[3:40] <jimbaker> got it. well, you should be able to import classes like PyList from the jython.jar, they are public
[3:40] <ropoctl_> oh, use jython.jar
[3:40] <ropoctl_> so i have to put jython.jar in the directory im running javac in?
[3:41] <ropoctl_> this is probably a basic java question
[3:42] <jimbaker> it has to be visible to javac. normally you put it on its classpath
[3:42] <ropoctl_> i just started playing with java and jython today because im tired of the GIL
[3:43] <ropoctl_> cool, did -cp /pathto/jython.jar
[3:43] <jimbaker> that's a good reason to use jython. perhaps you've tried this statement in jython: from __future__ import GIL
[3:43] <ropoctl_> heh
[3:43] <ropoctl_> i need to do cpu bound threads on multiple processors, the guys in #python were telling me how great subprocesses are lol
[3:44] <jimbaker> the funny thing is, we're probably going to implement a "GIL" soon - but only for adding c extension api support. ideally it can be done so that the GIL can be elided out. there's been an interesting conversation about this on the jython-dev mailing list
[3:44] <jimbaker> please note - this impacts only C code
[3:45] <jimbaker> btw, in 2.5.2, defaultdict will support atomic computation of missing values
[3:45] <jimbaker> i have it working now, just need to clean some initialization/error handling
[3:46] <ropoctl_> is there any place i can find documentation on writing java extensions?
[3:46] <jimbaker> jbrendel had a good post on this
[3:47] <jimbaker> if i understand what you're trying to do, you probably are making it a little more difficult than you need to on this pass
[3:47] <ropoctl_> im trying to convert a c++ extension for python into java extension
[3:47] <jimbaker> in general, there's no need to write an explicit java extension. jython can just import java code
[3:49] <ropoctl_> the c extension has all kinds of pyobject references, and im trying to preserve the structure
[3:49] <jimbaker> we have an extension mechanism, http://wiki.python.org/jython/PythonTypesInJava - this makes things much more efficient, but usually not noticeable unless you're doing finegrained stuff
[3:49] <jimbaker> ok, well you can certainly use PyObject from your java code
[3:49] <jimbaker> or what have you
[3:50] <jimbaker> unfortunately the expose mechanism only supports code built in to jython today. the clamp project will be pulling that out so it can be used more generally
[3:50] <jimbaker> but again, you can just use PyObject etc w/o using expose
[3:50] <ropoctl_> i am not able to coerce a list from python into a collection, arraylist etc?
[3:51] <jimbaker> you certainly can
[3:51] <ropoctl_> oh i was getting errors, but i was running jython 2.2
[3:51] <jimbaker> yeah, don't do that
[3:51] <jimbaker> i don't think anyone here remembers that version any more
[3:52] <ropoctl_> yah i just used suse yast, and the version there was 2.2, i assumed the package manager wouldnt be retarded
[3:52] <ropoctl_> have 2.5 now
[3:52] <ropoctl_> will try the old code
[3:54] <ropoctl_> is there some trick to coerce [1,2,3] into java.util.ArrayList?
[3:57] <ropoctl_> oh i see, i have to create the list as an arraylist in python
[4:05] <jimbaker> in your java code, you can say __tojava__(List.class)
[4:06] <jimbaker> that's how we implement coercions
[4:07] <jimbaker> the reverse direction is Py#java2py
[4:09] <jimbaker> i would recommend reading our jython book, such as the section on java integration - http://jythonpodcast.hostjava.net/jythonbook/en/1.0/JythonAndJavaIntegration.html#using-jython-within-java-applications
[4:09] <jimbaker> ropoctl_: ^^^
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[5:19] <ropoctl_> why's there no sys.float_info
[5:19] <ropoctl_> im assuming jython uses java doubles for floats?
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[15:20] <tnelson> Anyone noticed jython.bat is super-borked w/ 2.5.1? :P
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[19:27] <jimbaker> ropoctl: sys.float_info is new in version 2.6.
[19:28] <ropoctl> ah i see
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[22:32] <ropoctl_> how do i raise python exception from inside java
[22:38] <sabi> you can just raise a java exception, usually
[22:38] <ropoctl_> ah, so just handle in python whatever java exception ends up there?
[22:46] <sabi> yes.
[22:46] <ropoctl_> cool thx
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