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[15:28] <janimo> hi, what is the best way to have a Python module embedded in a Java app via PythonInterpreter.execfile() reloaded when it changes, without having to restart the Java app?
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[15:52] <Moo^_^> janimo: recreate interpreter?
[15:52] <janimo> that is quite costly I think
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[15:57] <jimbaker> janimo: you can look the logic of org.python.core.imp#reload
[15:58] <janimo> I could use reload if that works instead of replicatring what it does
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[15:58] <janimo> is jython different from cpython wrt reloading modules?
[15:58] <jimbaker> it's the same
[15:58] <janimo> jimbaker: ok, thanks
[15:59] <jimbaker> so feel free to manipulate the modules map
[15:59] <janimo> any corner cases to be aware of?
[15:59] <Moo^_^> janimo: reload is very unsafe technique
[15:59] <Moo^_^> janimo: there are many corner cases were it fails
[16:00] <Moo^_^> and causes great headache
[16:00] <jimbaker> Moo^_^: I think it depends on your expectations of reload :)
[16:00] <janimo> I was hoping running an external; pyton script within Jython and refreshing it without retsrat of the JVM was a common use case
[16:01] <janimo> while developing and testing it would sure be useful
[16:01] <Moo^_^> janimo: well if scripts are simple (no imports magic aliasing, etc. ) then reload will do it
[16:01] <janimo> not sure I know what magic aliasing is (import as ?)
[16:02] <janimo> basically it is a main.py which is execscript()-ed
[16:02] <janimo> and in turns import other py modules
[16:02] <janimo> I send it commands via UDP
[16:02] <janimo> and one should trigger a reload(sys.modules[globals()['__name__']]_
[16:02] <janimo> or something to that effect
[16:03] <janimo> and main.py from the disc would ideally be loaded and answreing the next UDP message
[16:03] <jimbaker> sounds awkward to me, but probably has no problems with reload
[16:04] <jimbaker> basically http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#reload applies, except reload has nothing to do with java
[16:04] <jimbaker> in terms of any java classes that are imported. just use a classloader for that
[16:05] <janimo> indeed, I only want the python bits reloaded, as those are the ones I am changing and don't want to retart the Java app at every change
[16:06] <janimo> ok, I'll dig more as the reloadd approach did not work before hpping on IRC
[16:06] <janimo> I'll try reloading one of the submodules not __main__
[16:07] <jimbaker> you may have a reference somewhere in your code to the old classes. basically new AND old classes can exist side by side, nothing magic happens in terms of changing that
[16:07] <janimo> thanks, I'll work on it
[16:08] <jimbaker> only what is in sys.modules, which will be seen in subsequent imports
[16:08] <jimbaker> good luck
[16:11] <jimbaker> if you run into problems, read http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0302/ - we implement the standard python import protocol in 2.5
[16:18] <jimbaker> of course since you can always change the class of a python object, you could do some magic. whether it would be useful, like jrebel supposedly is, i don't know. probably just screws things up! regardless, such functionality should work on other python implementations, so there may be some existing experience/horror stories :)
[16:19] <jimbaker> later
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